Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread

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Pemalite said:

It really hasn't.

"I see that disinfectant knocks it out in a minute, in 1 minute, is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and does a number on the lungs".

That is the EXACT god damn quote. It is not taken out of context... It can't be taken out of context.

It really has.

It was implied by others that Trump was saying that people should be injecting themselves with disinfectants. He simply asked if that was possible then suggested the medical doctors may want to take a look at that, and there was no response one way or another from them as far as I could hear.

Pemalite said:

Correct. Suggesting that you can inject disinfectant into the body is stupid, uneducated and downright dangerous.

If he isn't a doctor, he shouldn't be suggesting this to start with, he is not educated, he isn't trained.
And it wouldn't be interesting to check, we already know the outcome... It's called using common sense which he seems to lack in this instance.

The fact of the matter is, he is supposed to be providing a SITREP or "Situational Update" on the Corona virus and laying out plans of what approach the American government is taking, what approaches they have taken and how the situation is changing/evolving rather than suggest some far-off rubbish that has no real-world application and constantly pat himself on the back with self praise and promotion.

At the moment the entire world is laughing at the USA, laughing at Trump. I'm not kidding.

Not being 100% certain of everything means someone is uneducated?

It's common sense? What about how stupid most people are in general, as you said?

Trump was bragging and praising himself about asking the question? When?

The entire world is laughing at America? The, entire, world? I'd ask how certain you were, but common sense tells me... though my stupidity...

Pemalite said:

It's not saving lives.

People in general are stupid. - Remember when Trump suggested that hydroxychloroquine might be a viable treatment for Corona?

Well. Some idiot went out and tried it. And killed themselves... Because they couldn't work the differences out between fish tank cleaner and what Trump was promoting, they saw the word on the bottle and gave it a try. - Trump is the head of state, he wouldn't lie or leed anyone astray or get anything wrong, would he?

https://www.statesman.com/news/20200326/fact-check-dont-drink-chloroquine-fish-tank-cleaner-to-stop-coronavirus-it-might-kill-you

If it was saving lives right now you would presume Trump would've been made aware, so there would be no reason to ask.

Hydroxychloroquine is helping to save some lives as far as I've seen.

Some people do dumb things, yes. I'm not going to point out what the opposition has led some people to do. If people in general are stupid, again as you stated, then surely some are really dumb, and so because a few may make a terrible decision because of that, nobody with any type of widespread reach should say anything at all, considering it could potentially lead to someone hurting themselves?

Since when does someone asking questions make them all knowing? If someone was taught that, it's the teachers fault, not someone else's.

Pemalite said:

Because on one hand Trump says "He's not an expert" but then on the other hand in the same sentence he will say "He is smart".
The two don't go together.

Trump is also the head of state, he represents the entire nation, people follow him, take onboard and even "try" his ideas.

If Trump says something stupid, which in this instance he did... Then he deserves ridicule and condemnation.

Also comparing radiation therapy to injecting disinfectant isn't even remotely the same, back then we didn't have the understanding of chemistry or radiation that we did today, disinfectant and it's effects on the human body have been studied intimately at this point by the scientific method.

Can't believe any of this had to be elaborated upon.

Trump does act like that at times, so if both can't go together, he should pick one, and so should anyone pointing out what they find negative about him, and it can't be that he's a moron but also a genius. It goes both ways.

People follow him, but he also represents them? The people who are stupid in general? And their leader should be a perfect genius?

There's still many things we don't know. Do we truly know everything there is to know about chemistry and the human body today?

When people are so stupid in general, 'educated' people have to elaborate.

Pemalite said:

Scientists already know. Trump shouldn't be making suggestions on something he is clueless about, it's downright dangerous.

Trumps not a scientist and he didn't suggest using it, he asked if it could be. Everything can be dangerous if you look at it that way.

Pemalite said:

Trumps ability to form coherent sentences is garbage at the best of times, the problem lays with him.
He needs to some training.

Trumps not the most presidential speaker. He also could be more clear at times. Every leader has flaws, and some flaws are much worse than others. Some training probably wouldn't hurt, though it would never be enough anyway, which is probably why he wouldn't bother.

Pemalite said:

He made a suggestion framed as a question.

There is going to be some bogan somewhere who thinks they are "Protected by Jesus's Blood" that thinks it will work for them and go ahead and try it.

And Trump needs to be held accountable for that as he is in a position of influence.

He asked a question. The only polite suggestion was for the medical doctors to look into it possibly. Leaving it to the professionals.

That seems pretty discriminatory towards someone's religion, so I'm not going to touch this one.

Holding people accountable is necessary, to whatever degree, when they rightfully deserve it.