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Otter on 10 March 2020
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The_Liquid_Laser said:

DonFerrari said:

Well lost legacy is almost a full game (and good at it) also we have the collection (I platined all 3 again =p )...

But yep not liking PS4 as much as PS3 because of these 3 franchises I can really understand, they were all in control of Sony and your reasoning is spot on.

On the case of Liquid the problem is that basically he is saying true things that I can't handle about Sony needing to change, but the evidences he point are on both 1st party and 3rd party games.

fixed that for you

Otter said:

What has been your favourite games on PS4 other then Uncharted?

Yeah, that's completely fair, sometimes things dont hit the mark but would you put this down to a specific direction from Sony? I mean other than games taking longer to produce. 2/3 of those franchises didn't exist on PS2 (3/3 for most people) but the studios were given freedom to create them on PS3. On PS4 they moved to some new things again (Horizon, Spiderman) and in large we've seen a lot of new IPs published from them. More then anything sonys first parties are defined by contemporary experiences which are ever evolving. Looking at this year alone for example with Dreams, Ghost of Tsushima. Last year Days Gone & Death Stranding. They hit familiar beats with their biggest franchises but they also have a lot of experimentation in a generation. Some of it falls flat like The Order, but I think the approach was the same with PS3 and it will be the same with PS5. 

But I can see why someone might prefer them to go the Nintendo approach and prefee them to put 90% of their efforts into franchises they've already established of theres something particular you loved in their past.

Sony is responsible for their console.  When people complain about Wind Waker and Super Mario Sunshine not being as good as other entries, then that is Nintendo's fault.  If Sony's first party games are as good on PS4 that is Sony's fault.  I liked Sony's first party offerings more on previous consoles than on PS4.  That is definitely their fault.

On top of that Sony is responsible for their 3rd party library, as a whole, too.  When Final Fantasy 7 went to Playstation instead of N64, was that Nintendo's fault?  Yes!  Every console maker has a strategy for attracting third party developers.  This affects both how many third party games they get, but it also affects the type of third party games they get.

So if PS4 doesn't have many games for either me or curl-6, then is that Sony's fault?  Yes!  How can it be anyone else's fault?  Sony is responsible for their own console.

The discussion was centered around whether it was something constructive you could see sony correcting, since you spoke about them "changing". You say your favourite game was demon Souls on PS3, sony launch Bloodborne on PS4 pretty early on to even higher critical reception then demon souls. That doesn't mean you have to like it, maybe you like medevil settings but hate gothic. IDK, but I was simply trying to gauge what you meant when you said "if Sony doesn't change then I probably won't like PS5 either."

In your initial response, the only thing you described software wise between PS3/PS4 that sony was doing was the appearance of new souls games. Everything else was unrelated (i.e no Shadow of the Colosus quality sequel on PS4, but the developers skipped the PS3 altogether). Or no RPGs made by Sony Interactive but their last RPG comparable to Legend of Dragoon was White Knights in 2008 on the PS3 which got horrible reviews. I'm not sure if you played it but given that length of time, if you have a problem with the lack of Sony made RPGs on PS4, surely the same applies to PS3? Or what square are doing with FFVII, did you love what they did during the PS3 years with FFXIII? BTW I don't care to continue the discussion, just trying to clarify why I was confused. 


Meanwhile Curl-6 made it very clear what PS3 had that they see lacking on PS4.