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Pemalite said:
fatslob-:O said:

Similarly, I don't think you've considered the ramifications of some of the solutions to climate change which calls for cutting back on the means of production/consumption ... 

We live in a very privileged age of abundance. Most people just want their new iPhones for the holidays even if it means selling/using dinosaur juice ... 

No reason to support being 'green' since that just empowers the symbolism of certain fringe political parties for all the wrong reasons like I mentioned previously ... 

It's not healthy being ignored by half of society because you're on a quest to demonize/dehumanize them for their so called 'wrongthink'. If you want to prove that you're 'right' so badly why don't you actually try convincing the other side of a realistic solution that they can get on board and back ? If you don't want being green to be seen as a political thing then the only way to do it is by reaching a true 'consensus' ... 

Ramifications? I think if we were to weigh up the ramifications of what either outcome will end up as... I think not doing everything in our power to prevent climate change from progressing is certainly the more pressing issue. - Lets not bloody kid ourselves, lives are on the line.

The thing is it's become clear that climate change isn't the house on fire it was said to be so long ago. The world should be ashes by now, or heavily flooded, yet isn't, and isn't even close to that.

Imagine if we tried to enact the same kind of policies that are trying to be enacted now, like 40 years ago. Just think of what that would have done to the worldwide economy back then and where the world would be now because of it.

Also look at the tech we have now to start mitigating it. What if we can wait another 20 years for a solution that solves things in the same amount of time, or less, and way more efficiently, than if we started 40 yeas ago, all without having to deal with the hardship?

To say that's a stupid idea because, 'what if we can't fix the problem in time', doesn't make much sense based on our past and our capabilities. We solved the ozone problem for the most part, we went to the moon within a decade, and are seriously planning to go to mars, and eventually have human colonies there, and yet we don't think we'll able to deal with the CO2 problem here?

What about the people who have to deal with the heat, drought, or floods up until then? Well it's going to happen anyway for some, so regardless there's that, plus a ton of other people would have to pay for it one way or another if we get serious about it now, so who decides who pays and who doesn't? Who decides to take action now after all these years of 'not doing enough', instead of waiting for tech to do what it does and 'take us to the promised land', when it's renewable and carbon capture tech's time to shine?