Global Hardware 15 December 2018

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drinkandswim said:
There is no Sales Competition between Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo Switch. Tell that to Sony who is down 10% YOY and had to offer a ridiculous Black Friday sale to tie Nintendo for the month of November, and Microsoft who had a new revision, price cut, and ridiculous Black Friday sale to remain flat YOY.

PS4 is five years old. They'd do that regardless of switch

 

 

Intrinsic said:

PwerlvlAmy said:

Right. Nintendo isn't dead in the handheld nor console department. That much is a fact ,as you know we have the Switch. So that argument really doesnt make any sense.  Nintendo has done well to come back after what we got with the Wii U and after the sluggish start with the 3DS, so they were correct.  Person that said it was dead as far as home consoles go is just completely wrong as Nintendo has Switch. Switch is a hybrid, the best of what both a home console and handheld can provide a user. It is both a home console and it is also a handheld, that's factual. People tend to pick one or the other to steer an argument in their specific direction for the sake of trying to be right. When the answer is straight forward. There's no hidden mystery.

Honestly I feel the hatred for the Hybrid idea stems from people actually being mad that Nintendo was the one to perfect it first,as far as the big 3 go, and not Microsoft/Sony. That's the vibe I get.  Am I wrong about that? maybe, but it's the opinion i gotta stick with for the time being after seeing responses lately. 

Ok. I agree its a hybrid. I have always agreed with this fact.

But that also means we CANNOT call it a home console or a handheld. Its a hybrid.

Now everyones description of how it is a hybrid can be different, we have those that feel its a home console that that can be taken on the go, those that feel its a handheld that can plug to a TV (both cases still makes it a hybrid) and those that feel it being a hybrid is it simply taking a little of both form factors and combining them. Like reading your post you fall into the third category. 

But the truth is that because its a hybrid everyone is kinda right by how they describe it and everyone is kinda wrong too. 

Now having said that, the NS is NOT a home console. Its a hybrid. So if someone says nintendo is dead as far as home consoles go, that person won't be wrong. That would be true because nintendo is not making a home console. They are making a hybrid. This needs to be sorted out..... because as it stands, when its convenient they will call it a home console, then a handheld.. and when either gets challenged it will be called a hybrid.

I also don't know about anyone being butthurt about Nintendo getting "it right" because I dont really think the people in a sony or xbox camp cares for a handheld (which is mostly how we see the NS) to the point where we would want or wish that sony or MS adopts a similar business model.

I have pointed out earlier..... if they say nintendo did great by making a new type of device I will be right there with them singing their praises. And I personally was among those that felt this is the direction nintendo should have taken long before they even did it. But to say its a home console means we are comparing it with traditional home consoles, and if that was what it was.. and it didn't have the portable aspect of it... then how is it any different from the WiiU? It would have been DOA or not have been made at all.   And this is just simply because it lacks the tools (hardware) to compete in the same market as the PS4/XB1/PC. The tools it has (again the hardware) makes it what a handheld made in 2017 would have been. The unique (or innovation if you choose) is allowing that handheld plug into a Tv while its being charged. They basically took what they already did with the WiiU and reversed it.

There is nothing wrong with that, it doesn't have to be a PS4/XB1/PC to be successful as it has shown. Now why this observation seems to cause issues or arouse suspicions of trolling I will never understand.

Nintendo leaving the home console business was a clever move. But still they have left the business.

iPhone has a great camera, but it's still not a true photography camera.

Switch is not the same as a current gen console at all despite the fact that it does run games like Zelda and Doom.

Wii, for example, even though it wasn't powerful like the others, at least it was Nintendo trying to make a home console, that looked like a home console. Plus that was the fact that the jump from ps2 to 3 was much bigger than anyone could expect.

NSW on the other hand, is Nintendo clearly making a portable device capable of running Wii U games and connecting it to TV. It's much more like a handheld or something else than a current gen console.

 

TheBlackNaruto said:

Mar1217 said:
Hey, another thread to try and downplay switch's sucess by labelling it a simple handheld system with TV connection capabilities to try to diminish it's impact on the home console market and it's direct competition, Xbone and PS4.

Debating between direct and indirect comp and debating on Home vs Handheld is not downplaying....why are so many people reaching? heck I wasn't even in the debate and I saw no hate. I even saw those same people saying it was a smart move and a hit for Nintendo with the hybrid but yet that is downplaying? Like come on people. 

Disagreeing that Swicht is a home console is not hate at all. Those people are starting to sound like those guys on facebook that get offended about everything.

switch is selling a lot because it came out late this gen, it comes after wii u that was a failure, it has smash, and so on (it's also a great device for sure). There are so many explanations, but when you show them it's like 'we're downplaying or hating it'

We have to say like "Switch is killing PS4". If you say that, it's not hate.

 

RolStoppable said:

TheBlackNaruto said:

Debating between direct and indirect comp and debating on Home vs Handheld is not downplaying....why are so many people reaching? heck I wasn't even in the debate and I saw no hate. I even saw those same people saying it was a smart move and a hit for Nintendo with the hybrid but yet that is downplaying? Like come on people. 

You are missing the big picture. What's going on in this thread is the same as ten years ago when people who were upset by high Wii sales tried to put Wii in a different market, the goal being that if Wii is in a different market, then PS or Xbox would remain the sales leader in the market that matters.

The people who go smarter about this do it by using backhanded compliments, such as "it was smart by Nintendo to make a handheld that connects to the TV." If you look at the post I replied to before yours, you'll spot the compliment that "Nintendo makes high quality games with great creativity" that stands in complete contradiction with the rest of the post. If the aforementioned statement were truly believed by the person who said it, they would have concluded that Switch sales exploded this holiday season because of Nintendo's strong first party lineup. But instead said person pursued a longwinded way to arrive at a different and illogical conclusion that makes it more comforting for them to accept the high Switch sales.

I wasn't here when Wii was out, so I don't know.

And it was smart by Nintendo to make a handheld that connects to the TV. I have this opinion and I'm not hating Nintendo. I even know Nintendo fans and Switcgh owners that agree with this description.