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HylianSwordsman said:
These discussions are so stupid. Everyone has already made up their minds. They've either picked the narrative they want to believe based on Republican or Democrat identity, or had their in between opinion stuffed into one of those categories. Everyone has stopped listening. This isn't a discussion, it's shouting into a very noisy, meaningless void.

Agreed, thats pretty much why I've dropped out of these conversations. There just isn't enough information to say one way or the other what is true definitively. There is some interesting middle ground about what should be done in non-definitive cases but it seems everybody just wants to accuse someone of lying while asserting with 100% confidence that they know whoever they supports is telling the truth (which is BS no matter which side you support). I see no reason to really add to that noise.