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d21lewis said:

We all have our companies that we like. It's human nature.

I like Microsoft and I'll defend Kinect to this day as something I enjoy on my Xbox One.
I like Nintendo and if anyone asks me, the Wii U is a great console and the Switch is powerful enough.
I like Sony and I don't mind plugging in a USB to charge my controller because of the abysmal battery life. I'll defend the Vita until my last breath.

And you know what? I'm part of the problem. If your company does something wrong, it's your obligation to complain about it. You aren't doing your fellow gamers any favors by making excuses. Yes, everything I listed above is something I truly believe but, for someone else, that could be a point of concern! If someone says "I don't like Kinect. I shouldn't have to pay for it." I shouldn't be trying to convince them how great Kinect is. That's hurting them and that's hurting Microsoft. If someone feels that the Switch isn't powerful enough, I shouldn't be trying to convince them that everything is fine because I don't care about power. My concerns are not exactly THEIR concerns. Still, their concerns should not just be dismissed.

People have an issue with Sony's handling of cross play and their accounts with a multi-platform game. Let them complain. Let them be heard and let Sony fix it. It'll only make the brand better. Just a year ago you'd have people saying that they didn't want external HDD support for the PS4 even though the Xbox One and Wii U offered it. They'd say "It'll allow for piracy!" or "It'll ruin the sleak design of the console" or "I can just delete my games when I'm not playing them."

What the fuck?

Think about other people and their issues. Quit blindly following a single company and acting as their unpaid Public Relations representative. If gamers are unhappy and companies listen, it's better for everyone.

HDD support isn't a great example unfortunately. There were defenders, but it's not like PS was going to lose money over it. They obviously didn't have plans for an 8TB SKU. They also aren't big in the external market, and they sure don't advertise it much, so in terms of money it certainly wasn't a problem for them. Bending when it comes to aesthetics is much easier than when it comes to cold hard cash. PS could have been much more lenient and I do agree it took them too long to come around in this particular case.

There is the factor that PS4 owners no doubt must think about, as well as PS themselves, as to how many consumers will buy other consoles instead and how many existing PS customers will switch brands if cross play is allowed? If this number is potentially large enough, that's less money to make PS5 as impressive as it could be, and less money to make blockbuster exclusives that would make Spielberg say wow. If less money for PS means a lesser PS5 and weaker exclusives, it's not exactly better for everyone. This does and doesn't help XB and Nin fans. It will force them to continue to up their game more and more to try and catch up, but as long as they are behind, their gamers will be less well off.

Greatness for everyone is a tough line to draw and even harder to walk.

JRPGfan said:
Chazore said:

I find it funny how F2P being locked is somehow a bigger issue than millions of plaeyrs being able to play with one another.

Honestly with everyone else but Sony being on board, Sony's side seems like the bigger issue, and other devs are talking about it. Both are shitty, but Sony being the last player in crossplay is becoming more of an issue by the day.

Lets assume like 5% of players would actually make use of cross play, on the PS4 side.
I really doubt the number is much higher than that.

Sure that ll be "millions" of players.
The same is true for F2P being locked behinde a paywall on the XB1 though.
Theres probably a good ~40% or so, out of those 39m Xbox Owners that dont have access to fortnite at all, because MS isnt allowing them it.

Why dont you hear epic bitch about MS being hurting their sales or MAU numbers by locking players out?
This crossplay thing is overblown.

"I find it funny how F2P being locked is somehow a bigger issue than millions of plaeyrs being able to play with one another."

You really dont think its a bigger deal? Its hurting all the xbox owners that bought a xbox, but cant afford to pay the subscription, but want to play Fortnite and such games.
Its also hurting the devs that make fornite, their market reach is smaller because of MS chooseing this.
That number is probably muuuuuuuuch bigger than the PS4 owners that wish they had crossplay with xb/switch.

Putting Fortnite behind the Live paywall no doubt has to do with it's competition with PUBG. Imagine what Fortnite could do to PUBG if it were actually completely F2P. MS didn't invest and lock down PUBG to see it flushed down the drain like some previous game investments already. Guard your investments is the name of the game.

d21lewis said:
So here's what I've gathered:
-Sony doesn't allow cross play with any other platform except PC sometimes.
-If you make a Fortnight account, your purchases are stuck on PS4 but the other platforms allow you to switch back and forth, leveling up, keeping your purchases, etc.
-Microsoft won't let you play F2P games online without a subscription. PS4 does allow you to use their online service for F2P games.

A.)Either Microsoft is wrong for requiring the subscription or Sony is really generous.
B.)Either Sony is (are?) being selfish by not allowing people to keep their content or Microsoft/Nintendo/PC are being generous with this one particular game.
C.) Sony is being selfish by not allowing people to play popular games like Rocket League and Fortnight with gamers of other platforms.

We have a couple of different issues here. People seem to be using the logic that "It's okay because it doesn't effect me and my enjoyment" or "It's okay if my company does something wrong because this other company does something entirely different that is also wrong."

Do I have this right?

I'd add that PS made a major mistake, and it's not precluding cross play. The smartest thing they could have done, based on the fact they clearly don't want cross play, not yet anyway, would have been to go on the offensive again and mimic what they already did with game sharing. Sitting back and being silent makes them look weak and gives the impression they are wrong and they know it.

They should have came back with points like Fortnite, an F2P game, being behind the Live paywall. If that wasn't enough, they should have came out with a public PR statement that was almost identical to what XB used back when they weren't allowing cross play with the 360, and made it clear they were taking a shot back at MS. The memes would have flown and would have been against XB instead of MS and Nin banding together and taking the meme war to PS hard.