Do you think a game console is a toy?

[Mnementh]

S.T.A.G.E. said:

What would you call D&D? Im curious. A toy is an object to be manipulated. It has no goal...it just is. A game has a purpose for competition or a goal to either win or lose vs something or someone. In D&D, its to survive the DM. A toy is an object that is used with no goal in mind outside of personal amusement through manipulation.

In America Videogames are one of the major reason for the fall of Toy companies in the 90's. They used to sell videogames in their own section of Toys R Us. Where I live it is a wasteland and KB Toys of dead where I live. Gamestop destroyed all of them when they gobbled up all of the videogame stores.

There is an evolutionary process in which they are used to help the thinking process.

Toy= Object  to be manipulated.

Game= Vs (sport) or Goal based endeavor

Puzzles= Twsts of intellect to find a code or answer.

I agree with your last three definitions. As D&D is a set of rules, it is a game. But the objects used to play D&D are toys (miniatures, dice). A game console is a object you manipulate to play games. It doesn't matter if it is designed for adults or children or both. It is a toy. The games for the console are games. The games can be puzzles.

If children play hide and seek, they play a game and don't need toys for it. If they play policeman and burglar (or these days probably terrorist and soldier), they may still use no toys, or they use toy-guns for example. The game stays a game, the objects used to play the game are toys.

And what failed management decision Toys'R'Us made is of no impact to this discussion.