contestgamer said:
sundin13 said:
contestgamer said:
Sexual discrimination is just as wrong and in most cases illegal. so call it what you want to call it, either way it's totally wrong.
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Its illegal for businesses and whatnot. To my knowledge their are no laws on personal discrimination as long as you keep your actions below hate crime. If you honestly claim that you treat women exactly the same way you treat men, I can only assume you are lying. When I'm around my guy friends, I'm more likely to make innapropriate jokes or talk about sports or play sports. When I'm around my girl friends, I probably wouldn't be doing most of those things. Is that discrimination? Well yeah...does that make it wrong? I don't think so.
Also, I would like to point out, that I, as a straight male, only really hit on women. Should I start hitting on men to avoid that horrible, horrible discrimination?
contestgamer said:
Extreme feminism is ridiculous, most women just want equality. We don't want to be treated like sexual objects, like sidekicks to men. You don't need the state to do that, it can be done by educating men. A lot of things about how men interact with women and other men has changed for the better without the need of state action - simply social pressure and education has brought about those changes. Same idea is behind most civil rights movements.
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The problem is when feminists start attacking things like someone saying "hello" to them. That is just ridiculous. We don't need social pressure to make us more impersonal... We don't need to protect women to this extent (and who exactly is here to protect the men from people who say "hello" to them on the street? Discrimination I say!)
I think most people are fine with equality (to a point), but some of these complaints are just ridiculous, and sensationalistly labeling it as "harassment" doesn't help your argument, it just makes people think you are being ridiculous.
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What do you mean by "equality is fine (to a point)"? When you say "people" you seem to be saying "men". Most women I've talked to that have seen that video lamented similar things happening to them on a regular basis and absolutely hate it. Your issue seems to be the word "harassment", however it doesn't seem like you really understand how much these types of social interactions actually effect women. Usually I ignore it and walk on by, but I've seen women flip out or cry after these types of interactions. A "hi" might seem harmless, but in a big city where everyone is anonymous (I'm from NY btw), the intemidation factor is very real, because we know that most men that say "hi"randomly on the streets in a city like NY aren't just trying to be "nice". They're typically doing it out of sexual motivation and a good chunk of guys don't leave it at that. If every guy in the world just said hi and a significant chunk of them didn't escalate it further in to butt grabbing, groping, following and threats then this wouldn't be an issue - but in my experience many if not most of the guys that have done that to me or my friends in the past have started with something inoccous on the street such as a "hi". If guys don't want to be dumped in the same category as them then as a rule of thumb don't say hi to a woman on the street unless she gave you eye contact first. Is that so hard?
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"What do you mean by "equality is fine (to a point)"?": Well people aren't all equal on an individual basis... You aren't going to see a 50/50 gender split in all avenues of life because that just isn't logical.
"When you say "people" you seem to be saying "men"": Errr...excuse me?
"They're typically doing it out of sexual motivation and a good chunk of guys don't leave it at that": Yeah, so the problem isn't that someone said hi. It is that some people obviously take things too far to the point of harassment. The harassment is the problem, not the greeting. Why should we ask people to stay silent in the streets? I think that there should be more friendly greetings and whatnot. Just because you are gunshy or triggered by friendly greetings doesn't mean that they are harassment.
I repeat, the greeting is not the problem. We should not lambast people for being friendly. It isn't the world's job to protect you from your triggers, it is your own job to find a way to deal with it. Harassment is an obvious issue, but there is no reason to look down on friendly greetings.
This line of logic reminds me of all the people who attack video games after every school shooting. Yes, the person may have played video games, and hell, they may have even played video games while fantasizing about killing people, but that doesn't mean we should blame the video games.
Its a bit of a "guilty by association" fallacy, in which you attack something peripheral instead of the obvious problem.
