You know, if GamerGate gets large enough, it might do the unthinkable.

[sundin13]

o_O.Q said:

sundin13 said:

pepharytheworm said:

Who said I wasn't egalitarian? Feminism doesn't cancel out egalitarianism.

Like I said, feminism has become something different than it originally was. A social movement is really only what those who identify under its banner turn it into. Feminists have turned feminism into something fairly twisted, and therefore, that is what feminism is. I don't disagree with the fundamentals of Feminism, I just dislike all the shit that gets piled up on top of that. 

This is no different than the people who attack GamerGate. It isn't and never was about mysogyny, but a few trolls made some comments and now that is all anyone ever talks about when it is brought up. GamerGate has become, to the masses and to outsiders, an anti-womens movement. That is why I make it clear what I am talking about whenever I discuss it, instead of just waving its banner and acting shocked when people don't understand me. 

Podings said:
I don't think uniting against an entirely fictional common enemy works for anyone other than the north koreans.

In what reality do you live in where the media isn't corrupt? I want to live there too...

o_O.Q said:

i personally believe that at this point gamergate is a fool's gambit

it started with exposing a lack of integrity in journalism and i completely respected that 

however, now it seems to be actually about attacking zoe quinn and anita sarkesian more than about getting to the bottom of the rabbit hole with regards to jounralism

when i first heard about it i was like people who aren't aware before that the media is only there to control their perception are now paying attention? this is great!

but now several weeks later i personally don't see any progression with regards to an investigation into journalism

I think you got the order of things backwards. It started with people exposing all the shit around Zoe Quinn and then, when it began to fall under the GamerGate banner, it became about corruption in the media (the SJW-nature of some media falls under the "clickbait/sensationalism" section of corruption). 

"but now several weeks later i personally don't see any progression with regards to an investigation into journalism": What do you mean by investigation? Nobody denies the nepotism in the industry. Even industry figures acknowledge that it is going on, they just disagree on whether or not it matters. Even still, progress has been fairly quiet, but there have been quite a few sites who have updated their disclosure policies to be more open with readers. 

GamerGate isn't an "investigation", it is a social movement. It is there to raise awareness and spark conversation...I'd say that it met that goal, however, not without a plethora of unwanted side effects.

oh i was wrong then i said that because most of the comments that i see now are adhominem attacks like what i described whereas before comments seemed more focused on the integrity of journalism

but yeah i was never involved too deeply in this

 

by investigation i'm talking about acquiring facts on a particular issue

well if there is no investigation into what is going on or in other words no one is attempting to reveal other cases where corruption has influenced media then what is the point of continuing gamergate?

to me it seems naive to believe that showing 1 or 2 cases where this has happened will demonstrate that there is a problem that needs attention

i would think that the way forward would be to gather more information about other cases where corruption is influencing media to show that it really is a substantial problem

otherwise most people are not going to take you seriously

i'm betting that a year from now everything will be back to how it was previously except that the general public is going to perceive gamers in a more negative way... so what was the point?

"It is there to raise awareness and spark conversation...I'd say that it met that goal"

therefore the goal was only ever to talk about a problem and not attempt to change it?

seems kind of pointless to me... although come to think of it that's right nothing has changed really...

except the lives of zoe quinn and anita sarkesian who are under constant attack because of this movement

now i do think they deserve some criticism but as i said earlier a lot of it is just misogynistic bs

"well if there is no investigation into what is going on or in other words no one is attempting to reveal other cases where corruption has influenced media then what is the point of continuing gamergate?" and "therefore the goal was only ever to talk about a problem and not attempt to change it?":

Like I said, the problem isn't proving people that there is corruption in the gaming media, it is convincing people that it matters. The media doesn't really try to deny that there is some shady stuff going on, they just think it doesn't really matter (even look outside of the gaming media at Colbert laughing at the thought that people care about game media corruption). 

Who is to say that talking never helped anything? Talking is the thing that we are lacking. Talking is the problem. We need a dialogue. We need openness. We need communication between the press and the gamers. We are talking about the problems, trying to show people why they matter and trying to think of ways to help. As I said, numerous sites have already changed their disclosure policies, however there just isn't enough dialogue. So many people are content to just sweep this all under the rug and these discussions keep arising because we don't want this to be forgotten and ignored. We want to keep talking about it until people start realizing we want change. Unfortunately, the media has effectively destroyed the power of GamerGate, protecting themselves from its effects. Even still, I think a lot of people will start asking questions where none were asked before...

"except the lives of zoe quinn and anita sarkesian who are under constant attack because of this movement":

Anita was under attack long before GamerGate, and I don't believe any of the threats they received are connected directly to GamerGate. In fact, GamerGate has long moved on from either of these two, it is the anti-GamerGate folk who seem to love dragging them back in.