X1 will never catch or match PS4 sales, it is a misfired product.

[Dr.Henry_Killinger]

LudicrousSpeed said:

Dark Chaos said:

So you were arguing with me based on lies???  The Vita doesn't lose them much if any.

What is happening in your discussion with him (and in lots of "does X console make money" discussions) is people confuse the idea that a console can make profit with each sale, for a console actually being profitable.

PS3 makes money on hardware now for Sony. But that doesn't erase the years of red Sony saw with the PS3. Hell, it ate up virtually all of their PS1 or PS2 profits, I forget. At the same time, MS might still be in the red on the whole Xbox product because of the original investment it took to get the Xbox and Live off the ground. Even though the 360 has been profitable for years.

thank you, I don't see why profitably is any discussion here, we've only talked about sales cause thats the only information that we track.