What does Putin want with Ukraine

[Mnementh]

Kasz216 said:

Mnementh said:

Kasz216 said:

 

1. There was more then one source.  Curveball was just the main one.  Though they were all considered somewhat unreliable though not totally so.  Additionally he did mention things that were later verfied via photos.  Just those things weren't what he said they were.

2. That said, that's a lot more belieable then the whole 0 sources that Snipers came out of the US embassy with american sniper rifles and bullets.

1. Again, nothing really believable, and most people in europe didn't believe it, that's why european leaders didn't use it for justification. European leaders mostly didn't even mention the theory of WMDs. And still, despite the more or less reliable sources - Bush couldn't wait on the result of an official UN-inspection.

2. What? Who said such stuff? You try to ridicule other opinions by making up such stuff. All that is said is, that some people on maidan and some of the police were shot by similar bullets and the new ukrainian government has no interest to investigate. That has some weight, as also Paet and Ashton discussed that (the phone leak was confirmed as legit). And I made fun of the western media, that already sees Yanukowich as the murderer, without any evidence. I don't know what happened, but I don't say I would. I make fun though on the already made up opinion of western press. Because they never lie...

1.  That's because there wasn't any inspections...  Sadam was refusing to let inspectors in.  In general a common belief now is that HE thought he had WMDs.  But didn't.  Not the ones Curveball mentioned mind you, but the ones the US had previously gave him.

2. Sharu did...

Did you just not read the entire quote tree to what you were replying to?  I mean, you deleted his statement out of your quote tree reply, did you not look at it beforehand?

"Yes, these snipers was from American Embassy, with NATO rifles and ammo, so its clearly Yanukovitch to blame!"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6125441

 

So... care to change your position, and agree that the fact that said snipers coming from the US embassy with weapons provided by the US is less believable then the WMD case?

2. OK, didn't see that. I didn't answer to that, I was answering to the western media still blame Yanukovch without evidence.

To be clear here: I don't think Yanukovich or Putin are good guys. I don't believe in black and white, I think it is all black and  black. All politicians involved on either side don't have the interest of the people in their mind.

1. OK, seems we have found someone who bought into Bush's and Blairs claims. Just let me say, that most of continental europe didn't.

And regarding the inspection, you remember wrong. Yes, Saddam Hussein was first against inspection, but gave in. The inspection started, but was interrupted by the war.

"During 2002, President Bush repeatedly warned of military action against Iraq unless inspections were allowed to progress unfettered. In accordance with UN Security Council Resolution 1441 Iraq reluctantly agreed to new inspections in late 2002. With the cooperation of the Iraqis, a third weapons inspection team in 2003 led by David Kelly viewed and photographed two alleged mobile weapons laboratories which were actually facilities for the production of hydrogen gas to fill balloons. Shortly before the invasion, Hans Blix the lead weapons inspector, advised the UN Security Council that Iraq was cooperating with inspections and that the confirmation of disarmament through inspections could be achieved in a short period of time if Iraq remained cooperative."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War

Funny enough, I notice a difference in german and english Wikipedia. The german Wikipedia clearly states in the first sentence, that the war was against international law. The english article does not.