Should guns be outlawed in America?

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Jexy said:

Andrespetmonkey said:

 

Well they must be doing something right in scandinavian countries since they tend to have some of the lowest crime rates, best healthcare, best education, highest quality of life, and be among the most peaceful and least corrupt. 

http://nationranking.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/2011-qli2.png

And about the suicide rates...

This is from the Edinburgh university library online resources:

"The myth of Swedish suicide” has its roots in the late-1950s when the American President Dwight D. Eisenhower referred to it in a speech which had been based on an inaccurate briefing. The President had tried to paint a negative picture of Sweden, a nation which - with its cradle-to-grave socialism - had set itself on a post-war neutral stance outside the then embryonic-NATO and American influence. Ever since many people have accepted the picture as fact and perpetuate the myth."

Norway actually ranks lower than USA and Canada among male suicides.

Keep in mind that these countries have very long dark winters, this also atributes to suicides.

One I agree, those Scandanavian countries are some of the best to live in. 

However, they aren't exactly in line with how the USA is at all, nevermind politically, I mean diversity.

Those countries, like most countries in the world that aren't the USA, are not diverse at all.  It's just a bunch of like-minded white people.  The more diversity, the more hatred, and the more crime.  In the USA, black people hate white people, hispanic people hate blacks, white people hate hispanics, etc etc etc.  Other countries do not have to deal with this mix of populations.  Sure, it's a small % of the population who does this, but all that gang crime happens mostly between the low lifes in their all black, all hispanic, and all white gangs.  And they fight eachother.  Even prison divides up into ethnicities.  Sometimes things aren't so pretty when you have uneducated (and unable to be educated) people living in poverty, who resort to animal like behavior in "proving" themselves to be the tough guy.  I mean shoot, the number one way for a black man to die in this country is to be shot, and by another black man. 

Also, the USA is WAY bigger than those countries... so once you have so many cities that are so much larger, etc... crime starts to happen.  I think the rest of Europe right now is proving that those Scandanavian systems don't work on a larger scale. 

Also, not sure where that graph is from... but Egypt being one of the more peaceful countries?  What a joke.

But the rest of Europe does not have the scandinavian systems, so how can they prove anything. The nordic model hasn't been tried outside of scandinavia, it could work, it could fail, no point in jumping to conclusions.

Also, I don't know about the other nordic countries, but about 14.4 percent of the swedish population is foreign-born (1.3 million out of 9 million), with the largest groups being from Finland, former Yugoslavia, and Iraq. Not as diverse as the United States where the population is 70 percent whites and 30 percent others, but still, not just a bunch of like-minded white people.

Overall, ethnic diversity is on the rise in many western countries due to globalization, the figure for france is 19 percent foreigners, the balkan countries are a mess because so many ethnic groups (that can't set aside their nationalism) live in very messy patterns making drawing clean national borders impossible. Ukraine and other former soviet states have large russian minorities. In fact, due to all the power struggles, empires and wars of history, there are lots of ethnically diverse contries in the world.

Also, wouldn't a strong social security net reduce the amount of "low-lifes", and thus crime, since you said they comitted the most crimes.