Iwata: Wii isn't in a healthy situation we need to recover momentum

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Kenryoku_Maxis said:

68soul said:

Kenryoku_Maxis said:

68soul said:

It's been three years now, and we ALL have to face the truth: when Nintendo DO release many AAA games, 3rd parties do complain about the difficulty to compete with these... and when Nintendo DO NOT release many AAA games (like in the past 18 months), then there's NO ONE to take the opportunity, and we're left with nearly nothing to play except a handful of quality "niche" titles, and an handful of 1st party games... but nearly no " exclusive big budget" 3rd parties efforts...they're not comin', simple as that...

You see, and that's where I think there's a discrepancy.  While I agree that the majority of Third Parties are avoiding the Wii or putting their 'weak' games on the platform for a quick buck, I don't think the system is devoid of good games.  Especially in the last year, we saw some great Third Party games.  But it seems that they all just went under everyones radar because 1) They weren't tied to any major company/series, 2) They had little to no marketing and 3) They didn't sell a million copies (see examples #1 and #2). 

Games like Muramasa, Little King's Story, A Boy and His Blob and more were genuinely good games and stood out from the 'weak' titles on the system, both in the last year and from that stagnant period in the first 2 years of the Wiis life when the Wii had virtually no good Third Party games.  And there's more to come.  Its just sad to say that no one is going to care to buy them because they have no marketing put behind them and anything on the Wii that isn't made by Nintendo has such a 'kiddy' image.  Even something like Muramasa sadly.

 

Man, you don't have to tell me such things: I KNOW... i have "Little King's Story", and i LOVE it... and i'll buy "A Boy and his Blob" and "Muramasa" this month, on day one, as they're only released now in PAL land...

I'm just like you, and just like many here: i like great and original "niche" titles, i have such tastes, so I'M HAPPY with the Wii and its line-up...

But WE ARE EXCEPTIONS and WE ARE NOT ENOUGH... and these games, even if very creative and very original, are NOT "big budget" by any means... and WILL NOT attract any mass market, both the "casual mass market" and the "core mass market"...

Personally, i don't care for most of the following games, but as long as Wii won't play the new Grand Theft Auto, the new Assassin's Creed, the new Street Fighter, the new Resident Evil, the new Bioshock, the new Call of Duty, the new Final Fantasy, the new Batman Arkham Asylum, the new Bayonetta, etc, etc, etc, it will not be a FIRST CHOICE for the vast majority of "core" gamers... and for the vast majority of "core" third parties devs... just like PS2 was last gen, by example: for all the different types of games, niche as well as blockbusters... a very healthy market, and opportunities for everyone...

And so, Wii will stay a kind of "niche market" of its own, with a few "mass market" hits (often 1st party) makin' it a success... BUT, a too limited success... not enough to attract some "exclusive big budget" third parties efforts... and not even all the "multiplatform big budget" third parties efforts... i don't know how to explain myself better than this, sorry, english is my second language only... but i hope you get my point...  ;)

Whoa calm down there.

I don't really know what I have to say to make you happy.  I've already stated exactly what you have said in this thread.  Just not in my last post.  Yet everytime I try to say that the Wii has good games aside from just Nintendo games, its like people have to go crazy and say they're just junk titles or 'niche' titles or 'nothing that the core market wants'.

Yes, its true, many 'core' gamers want GTA or Halo or Final Fantasy.  Let's just face it, what you're really saying is gamers in America want graphics.  Because in Japan, they're ignoring consoles completely for handhelds, while in America, they're going for the games on the 'HD' systems.  Its not so much that the games on the Wii are 'niche' or 'kiddy'.  Its that the games on the Wii don't have as good of graphics, marketing and name brand recognition as the games on the 360 and PS3.  As I pointed out in a previous post.  A game like Disgaea or Persona, if released on the Wii instead of the PS2 or PS3, would have probably been deemed 'niche' and ignored.  Instead, they were released at different times and on 'better systems' in these peoples eyes.

Would it be better if Wii had better graphics?  Maybe...but then it might not have done what it did.  Maybe next gen it can have those better graphics.  You need to secure the market before you can dominate it.

Also, in reference to your last post, there's 43 Third Party games on the Wii which have sold over a million units.  Third Parties CAN sell well on the Wii when they try.  AKA when they produce an actual good game and follow through with it in ADVERTISING and actually stock the shelves with it.  Its just that most don't try.

Nintendo is actually losing the most important part of their fanbase, the core gamers. They are moving elsewhere and most have no interest in returning to the Wii, when the other consoles offer a lot more and a lot better. They are gaining new customers, that's true, but they are the ones that bought the Wii like an impulse buy and barely end up buying games other than the usual Wii___ stuff or a music game. That's why we don't see core games succeed on the Wii. There's simply too much coming out for the other consoles and after 3 years of waiting, most of the core gamers got tired and moved on. That's what's going on. I would even say that the core Nintendo fan is in risk of being lost by Nintendo themselves due to the lack of games as well.

And about the 43 million selling games, note that most of what you can call "core" in that list was released in the first years of the Wii, when people actually cared for the core experiences on it. There has been no big success this year outside of music games and fitness games, or MHTri, which is only big in Japan. And not all of the games in there are quality games, far from it.