360 and PS3 sales..

[Kantor]

Infamous said:

It's actually funny to read the hypocrisy from PS3 "fans" that have posted in this thread, attacking the OP and such. There's about a couple dozen "PS3 slim = comeback for Sony confirmed death of 360" topics, and Kowenicki simply posts a chart that gives factual calculations to knock reality back in fanboys heads. Nothing wrong with that; it's needed.

People who think "Slim" is going to make Sony "win" 2nd place and even get remotely close to 1st are simply delusional. Firstly, for the end of this year alone it's already speculated that 60gb will be replaced with the 120GB skus. That alone will counter a slim release without much effort needed (and trust me, as the smart ones reading this already know, if MS truly wanted to propel a comeback just to stop Sony in any way, shape and form they will pull the strings for it as they've done in the past).

Secondly, if the rumored Natal 360+ sku releases next year (which is heavily rumored and seems to have as much credibility as a PS3 slim), that's going to propel 360 sells to extreme heights. Casual sells alone, but if the rumored TB harddrive is even close to true (I don't believe that, but I'm sure they'll be an extreme storage increase because MS is pushing for streaming and downloading, as well as 120's being the new Pros and harddrives becoming cheaper). Also, ROFL @ the people who think Natal won't be successful. The casual media and publicity this thing has gotten so far is insane, and E3 just passed. Maybe the hardcore like you and me might not care too much (yet, until something catches our hardcore eyes), but the Wii alone shows that casuals are nothing to be reckoned with.

Also, it saddens me the amount of suicides and crow eating if Sony does NOT win this holiday over MS; there is NO better time then this and if the fanboys are wrong, what then? Slim + pricecut + FF13 Japan + possible GT5? If Sony barely passes MS with this strategy, that's enough for crow-eating. This is the biggest ace Sony can have, and if it even remotely doesn't show the predictions people are screaming, it won't be good. All we've heard for years and years was "wait until.." and "next year = year of the PS3 confirmed.." and such remarks.. it's just very tiring.

TL;DR: The veterans of this site and gaming in general know that, even if Sony gains a bit of momentum, if MS wants to counter they can, easily. Natal will have more market penetration then you think, especially with the rumored 360+ sku next year. The amount of sales Sony needs to outsell 360 alone is astronomical and people making silly predictions better get that bib and fork ready for some bbqCrow eatin'.

Also, it's not the end of the world if there's one pro-MS topic in the sea of pro-Sony topics flooding this site. Take a breath.

A hard drive size increase isn't going to combat the current most anticipated game in Japan, Sony's best selling series, a price cut and a Slim. Indeed, with that combination, the PS3 had better be winning by a huge amount. And it will, if Microsoft doesn't counter with something more than "Look our hard drive is bigger now!"

The NATAL 360 rumour isn't nearly as common as the PS3 Slim rumour, which is EVERYWHERE. Price cuts on current models to clear stock, hell, even adverts for the Slim. And what if it does launch? Well, it depends entirely on the price. If it's bundled for FREEEEEEEEEEE with all 360s, then bye bye PS3. But it won't be will it? All we know at this point is that it's "Less than $200". How many casuals are going to spend $200 on a console, then another $150 on a special camera when they can get the Wii for $250? Neither HD Twin will ever have the casual appeal of the Wii, because the Wii is famous among their casual circles, and Oprah likes it. Microsoft is doing a fantastic job with it, but really, most people won't end up caring. It'll do better than the PSMotion wand, but that won't be much of an achievement, really.

I explained in my previous post how simple it is for the PS3 to outsell the 360 (I didn't say likely, I said simple), because what Kowenicki is assuming is that they will be discontinued on the same day. Sure, Microsoft says the 360 will last one day longer than the PS3, but who decides that? The company, or the consumers? If the PS3 starts leading in weekly and monthly sales enough for it to be considered the "popular console" when this gen starts slowing down in 2012-2013, it'll have a longer lifespan, and will outsell the 360. If, however, it does not, and the 360 lasts as long or longer, the 360 has won.

And you know as well as I do that the people making silly predictions will never eat crow, even if it's barbecued (delicious, crispy on the outside, tender on the inside), they'll claim they never said such a thing. Look at Killzone 2, from both sides.

And I don't see how this is a pro-MS topic. It's simple numbers and facts, with a little arithmetic. Saying "ROFLOLOLOL SHITSTATION WILL NEVER CATCH THE 360 CUZ IT SUX AND DOESN'T HAVE HALO!" would be a pro-MS topic.