Miyamoto responds to Natal, Sony Motion Control

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BladeOfGod said:

Bong Lover said:

BladeOfGod said:

Bong Lover said:

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Maynard_Tool said:
Oh so after all... Nintendo, once again... was right. No wonder Miyamoto is considered to be the best game designer. And of course, Nintendo the best Video game company ever.

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No, its not.

To you, and anyone else who might walk this earth with the notion that there is or ever has been a greater videogame company than Nintendo, go check out the all times sales chart right here on VGChartz. Check the top 10, or top 20 or some such. If you are too lazy or shortsighted to realize that virtually every major innovation in the current videogame industry was pioneered by Nintendo, then at least seeing the list of the most iconic and best selling videogames should open your eyes.

There comes a time when claiming 'your opinion' just has to yield to facts. And the facts are that no matter which way you look at it, Nintendo is the greatest videogame company ever.

Sales doesnt prove they are the best. But if you still want to look at sales how about the fact Sony sold most consoles in last 15 years????

And i fail to see how Nintendo is the greatest when Sony and MS can buy that small company :)

So what metric do you think would be a better indicator of which company is the best? The company that dharh had the most fun with?Powerful and reliable products, big earnings, more employees...

If I wanted to argue what band was the best band ever, I could pick my personal favourite, The Butthole Surfers, and claim they are the best band ever. My argument would have no value outside the point that I really like them, anyone who would bring up for example The Rolling Stones would be able to demolish my argument by pointing to longevity, mass market penetration, volume of work and yes, total sales numbers among many other standards.

Translated into videogames, Nintendo is The Beatles, Sony is Blink 182 and Microsoft is Ace of Base. As I said before, at some point, you have to put aside your own personal opinion and concider facts. There's no meaningful way of claiming any other company than Nintendo to be the best videogame company ever.That's your opinnion

Edit: And in relation to Sony selling the most consoles the last 15 years. Not only is that cherry picking at it's finest, but it also redefines videogaming quite severely. If you consider the handheld market to be part of the videogame market like many people do, then I suspect the numbers tell a different story. Fell free to add up Gameboy, Gameboy advance, N64, gamecube, N64, Wii and DS numbers over the past 15 years, and compare it to the PS, PS2, PS3 and PSP and see how the numbers stack up. I don't know cause I can't be bothered to do it, but I suspect Nintendo would have a pretty good showing.I said most CONSOLES, not handhelds and Gameboy was launched way before original PlayStation, so its not fair comparison.Anyway, Sony sold 320 million consoles in last 15 years, Nintendo sold about 280 million consoles (i even added GBA and DS sales which are NOT consoles just to prove you completely wrong )

 

Ok, I normally avoid these kinds of threads because of the excessive amount of fanboyism that surrounds it. It literally brings forth a headache. But the statement in red is such a huge classic case of cherry picking it can't be helped. To attempt to insert some logic behind this otherwised completely cherrypicked arguement. Let's break down the numbers.

• Playstation 1 - 100 mil (Approx)
• Playstation 2 - 120 mil (Approx)
• Playstation 3 - 22.3 mil (Approx)

Total = 252.3 million. Approx.

Wait... You said sony sold 320 million consoles. Something doesn't add up here.

Let's throw this in for good measure.

• Playstation Portable - 55 mill (Approx)

Total 307.3 million (Approx). That seems more likely. Only 13 million off from your estamate. But I thought it was consoles only? Does this mean you consider the PSP. The Sony handheld device to be a console? Yet do not agree that the gameboy, GBA, and DS are consoles? Something is flawed with your math.

Another thing I have to point out is that you seem to exclude the GB because it was placed before the Playstation. Are nintendo systems that were around before a playstation system exempt from your example? Let's take a look.

• N64 - 33 mil (Approx)
• GC - 22 mill (Approx)
• Wii - 50 Mill (Approx)

Total = 115 Mil (Approx)

You also said you included GBA and the DS. So we'll throw them into the pot and add em up as well.

• GBA - 81 million (Approx)
• DS - 100 million (approx)

Total = 181 million

Handhelds + Consoles = 296 million.

Well, your off by 16. Not bad. So far so good. Problem lies that you did infact forget to include the previous nintendo systems. Gameboy, Nintendo and Super Nintendo. Which does count because let's be honest here, nintendo did make them. Nintendo was in the console race since the 3rd generation. Nintendo has without a doubt established some of the foundations to all of gaming as we know it today. So let's throw them as well.

• Nintendo - 61 million (Approx)
• SNES - 49 Million (Approx)
• GB - 118 Million (Approx)

Total = 228 Million (Approx)

Total Nintendo Console Sales = 524 million

My math turned out a little different from yours. Your math works, yes. IF you include the PSP as a CONSOLE with the PS1, PS2, and PS3. And if you EXCLUDE the NES, SNES, and GB. Thus, a classic example of cherrypicking.

And if anyone begins to debate me on this last 15 years stuff. Why? Why is it fair to only include the generations sony was a major part of? Nintendo was a HUGE part of the 3rd and 4th generations of video gaming. It was some of their best years. So you exclude their best years in favor of Sony's best years? No way. If you're gonna have a debate between sony and nintendo selling more. Debate the whole history. Not just a small chunk of it. Because dispite what sony has done for the home console business. And I respect that, 2 consoles selling more than 100 million units each? Amazing. But Remember what nintendo did first.

Sony > Nintendo in Home consoles

 

Nintendo > Sony in handheld systems

Nintendo > Sony overall sales.

Overall, you are right in your way. Sony does have the highest sales in the last 15 years. But I still call cherry picking because you're taking the best from sony and excluding the best from nintendo.