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iron_megalith said:
newwil7l said:

I'm a lefty but man some of you really take the dictator talk too far. There is a 0% chance US will ever succumb to an authoritarian regime. Trump is not a dictator, not even remotely close to one. Stop with the nonsensical hyperbole.

People can say what they want but at least Trump is letting people speak their minds off while the left is pushing social media for more censorship. There's a line between moderating dangerous ideas and enforcing an Orwellian nightmare upon us. It became really ironic when they harp on Trump about being a fascist.

Even in these threads, I'm seeing someone defend Antifa when there are several instances of them denying people of the first amendment by inducing violence and chaos. Fighting "fascism" by being the fascist they hate is absolute hypocrisy. And don't get me start with the hypocrisy of the BLM movement as well.

Out of curiosity, how exactly does Trump's attacks on freedom of the press factor into this assertion that Trump is letting people speak their minds? He even filed a cease and desist against CNN because he didn't like their poll numbers for Pete's sake.



sundin13 said:
iron_megalith said:

People can say what they want but at least Trump is letting people speak their minds off while the left is pushing social media for more censorship. There's a line between moderating dangerous ideas and enforcing an Orwellian nightmare upon us. It became really ironic when they harp on Trump about being a fascist.

Even in these threads, I'm seeing someone defend Antifa when there are several instances of them denying people of the first amendment by inducing violence and chaos. Fighting "fascism" by being the fascist they hate is absolute hypocrisy. And don't get me start with the hypocrisy of the BLM movement as well.

Out of curiosity, how exactly does Trump's attacks on freedom of the press factor into this assertion that Trump is letting people speak their minds? He even filed a cease and desist against CNN because he didn't like their poll numbers for Pete's sake.

He said his opinion about the press which in the recent years have been proving themselves to be a more effective instigators of hate. Despite this abhorrent practice, he hasn't actively made anything to have them shut down. They're still doing the same crap they've been doing since he won.

If you say that the media has not been doing anything wrong, just look at what happened with Nathan Phillips, the St Louis couple, the interview with Terry Crews and a lot more.



iron_megalith said:
sundin13 said:

Out of curiosity, how exactly does Trump's attacks on freedom of the press factor into this assertion that Trump is letting people speak their minds? He even filed a cease and desist against CNN because he didn't like their poll numbers for Pete's sake.

He said his opinion about the press which in the recent years have been proving themselves to be a more effective instigators of hate. Despite this abhorrent practice, he hasn't actively made anything to have them shut down. They're still doing the same crap they've been doing since he won.

If you say that the media has not been doing anything wrong, just look at what happened with Nathan Phillips, the St Louis couple, the interview with Terry Crews and a lot more.

Trump hasn't "made anything to have them shut down", however he has regularly restricted their access and hampered their ability to do their job, in addition to filing several lawsuits and cease-and-desists against them. One cease and desist was filed in response to low poll numbers that Trump didn't like. Trump has made a lot of steps to intrude on the freedom of the press. Just because he doesn't like what they are saying doesn't mean they don't have the freedom to say it. That is the basis of freedom of speech...



iron_megalith said:
newwil7l said:

I'm a lefty but man some of you really take the dictator talk too far. There is a 0% chance US will ever succumb to an authoritarian regime. Trump is not a dictator, not even remotely close to one. Stop with the nonsensical hyperbole.

People can say what they want but at least Trump is letting people speak their minds off while the left is pushing social media for more censorship. There's a line between moderating dangerous ideas and enforcing an Orwellian nightmare upon us. It became really ironic when they harp on Trump about being a fascist.

Even in these threads, I'm seeing someone defend Antifa when there are several instances of them denying people of the first amendment by inducing violence and chaos. Fighting "fascism" by being the fascist they hate is absolute hypocrisy. And don't get me start with the hypocrisy of the BLM movement as well.

No one wants to hear stupid people tweet.  If I could blow up twitter servers and be gone with it like fight club and banks then let me know.



Trump is a fucking idiot. The sooner you realize that maybe people vote for such a shit party. Otherwise enjoy your shit race. Vikings are better than you and always will be



coolbeans said:

For your consideration:

Body found in Minneapolis pawnshop that was torched in George Floyd protests

https://nypost.com/2020/07/21/body-found-in-building-torched-during-george-floyd-protests/?utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=SocialFlow

If you may have used kid's gloves in weighing the pros/cons of protesters burning businesses in Minneapolis, you don't get to claim "no fatalities" anymore.

Is that supposed to make me feel guilty or sad of protest?   Guess what I don't give a fuck just like you don't give a fuck.  One fuckin body really is that all you bring.  Get something more sensational



coolbeans said:
sethnintendo said:

Is that supposed to make me feel guilty or sad of protest?   Guess what I don't give a fuck just like you don't give a fuck.  One fuckin body really is that all you bring.  Get something more sensational

Regardless of whatever feelings you currently have, you just don't get to hide behind "it's just businesses" and "they have insurance" in your reasoning. Now you need jump to more wretched excuses like "it's just one charred body found in the aftermath" or hand-wave it away if you discover he was a former Trump voter.   

Don't worry.  I'm on the case to find a bigger story that'll--hopefully--make you feel a shred of remorse.  I was worried one person wouldn't cut it.

Get off yourself.  Why don't you paint yourself black and see how the cops treat you.  You are acting like a victim and reality you aren't shit.



coolbeans said:
sethnintendo said:

Is that supposed to make me feel guilty or sad of protest?   Guess what I don't give a fuck just like you don't give a fuck.  One fuckin body really is that all you bring.  Get something more sensational

Regardless of whatever feelings you currently have, you just don't get to hide behind "it's just businesses" and "they have insurance" in your reasoning. Now you need jump to more wretched excuses like "it's just one charred body found in the aftermath" or hand-wave it away if you discover he was a former Trump voter.   

Don't worry.  I'm on the case to find a bigger story that'll--hopefully--make you feel a shred of remorse.  I was worried one person wouldn't cut it.

But it is 'just business' etc. One exception to the rule does not disprove the intent of the majority. The protests always were meant to be a wakeup call, not intended to hurt people. That said, there will ALWAYS be opportunists and shitty people taking advantage of a shitty situation. 

If you go to a concert with 100,000 people and 1 person stabs 1 other person amidst the confusion, does that mean that everyone went to the concert for murder? No, it means one person used the cover of 99,998 other people to kill someone. Don't try to extrapolate the only argument that serves your purpose when it's such a minuscule minority. You sound like a climate change denier. 



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coolbeans said:
sethnintendo said:

Is that supposed to make me feel guilty or sad of protest?   Guess what I don't give a fuck just like you don't give a fuck.  One fuckin body really is that all you bring.  Get something more sensational

Regardless of whatever feelings you currently have, you just don't get to hide behind "it's just businesses" and "they have insurance" in your reasoning. Now you need jump to more wretched excuses like "it's just one charred body found in the aftermath" or hand-wave it away if you discover he was a former Trump voter.   

Don't worry.  I'm on the case to find a bigger story that'll--hopefully--make you feel a shred of remorse.  I was worried one person wouldn't cut it.

First, I'll say that I don't agree with Seth's take on the matter. I don't think his perspective is helpful, though I do understand where he is coming from.

That said, I also don't really think that the fact a body was found is particularly relevant. What the rioting was, was largely a reaction to a failure of the system to remedy its abuses. And it wasn't a reaction based around logic. How could it be? We like to talk about how our government works as if it responds to the reasoned will of the people, but there have been people expressing their frustrations logically for decades. When our systems fail to act to remedy their abuses, and we are shown that being logical and calm doesn't provoke change, that frustration will inevitably boil over. There is no weighing of pros and cons necessary, because the riots were not a result of such an analysis. They are the result of unanswered cries for justice spilling over.

To quote Martin Luther King Jr:

"[A] riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation’s summers of riots are caused by our nation’s winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention."

The damage that was done is terrible, but I don't think that weakens any of the voices demanding change within these broken systems. Riots are a reflection of a system that has failed. The damage that was done doesn't weaken these voices, they only add to the urgency of calls for change.



Your right doesn't impress me cool beans. America is painted in blood for bullshit.