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Forums - Sports Discussion - The NFL Thread 2014: New England Patriots Win Super Bowl XLIX

 

Who will win the Super Bowl?

Who cares? 41 36.61%
 
That AFC team. 29 25.89%
 
That NFC team. 5 4.46%
 
Hahaha, not the Packers! 25 22.32%
 
See Results. 9 8.04%
 
Total:109
Chris Hu said:

Very unlikely to happen but there is a chance it could.  Everybody thought that Drew Breeze would appear in numerous Super Bowls after the Saints won their first one but at this point the Saints even coming close to another Super Bowl with Breeze as quaterback is highly unlikely.  As a matter of fact unless they get at least one game at home with him in the playoffs Breeze winning another playoffs game is highly unlikely.  One thing that is pretty certain is that I doubt that the Seahawks will be in next years Super Bowl even though the Vegas odds makers give them a better chance to making it back to next years game then the Patriots.


Why is that?  They don't have a notable free agents that could leave.  The Seahawks are loaded with talent, it could very easily happen!



gergroy said:




Why is that?  They don't have a notable free agents that could leave.  The Seahawks are loaded with talent, it could very easily happen!


Imho the Seahawks won't be back next year. My reasoning is that they are losing their DC, their OC will probably get fired (deservedly so), and it sounds like they still have some issues to work out with in regards to team chemistry.

Wilson is being seriously misused, the gameplan for the SB was botched so horrendously that I honestly can't believe it. With a strong running game, it's an investment that you have to make, and you have to keep to it, pummel over and over, even if in some cases it seems crazy, like running on 3rd and 5. If you in fact DO have an effective bruising running style, it begins to open the defense up a bit as they compensate by bringing more players to the box. It's no coincidence that strong running teams often start breaking big plays as the game wears on, and the defense starts to buckle a bit.

With the SB, they were able to get up by 10 points, and then on successive drives they kept running ill advised pass plays, even after getting some decent success with the running game. It doesn't even need to be said what a travesty that final call was. Stopping Lynch again by that point was going to be unlikely, particularly if they had a prepared play, rushed to the line, and rammed it through. Hell, even sell a great fake handoff up the middle and have Russell do the end around, he had been making defenders look slow all day.

Where Wilson is NOT great at, is a lot of areas of the passing game. While I do believe he is a smart and hard working guy, he cannot be a Brady or a Peyton style QB. The sit in the pocket throw a bullet or a perfect deep spiral is not in the cards (not that Peyton seems capable of that any more lol).

Imho they need a dynamo TE, they need another solid OL workhorse, and they need to keep Lynch, and give him more to work with. Their WR talent is not great, and really anything much more than 25-30 yards out is a prayer with the eternity it takes for those slow high arcs to get there. A game plan designed to maul you for about 4-5 yards on every play is going to be a lot more successful than constantly trying to use Wilson in a way that doesn't work all that well.

One has to admit with great enthusiasm that the Seahawks great success (and let's be honest, winning a SB, then coming within a play of winning a 2nd the very next year IS a great deal of success) is due HUGELY to their defense. However, we can see that even with one or two players dropping out causes the entire thing to start crumbling. Yes, Sherman still dominated his area so completely that he basically shut down part of the field on Sunday. But what else happened? With Lane going down, the backup wasn't up to the task. Overall speed on that Zone was bad. It got so awful in the 2nd half that Brady didn't even have to work to score. Defenders were 4+ yards OFF of the receievers, giving up huge yardage on every down almost uncontested. Speed to tackle was horrible, tackling quality was horrible, it was just a disaster. Both teams played so poorly on the whole in that game that it was honestly an embarassment of a championship game. Exceptions were out there for extraordinary efforts, but blegh, it was an ugly affair. Even more troubling was the fact that the game vs. the Packers was also incredibly ugly. Close, yes, but close doesn't equal GOOD.

As bad as the Seahawks played on Sunday, if it had been Green Bay, Dallas, or even Detroit playing one of their top games, they would have beaten NE. And conversely, the Seahawks were so awful that pretty much any top AFC team would have had a solid shot at dropping them. Very disappointing for the top seeds of each conference. I know that both teams are capable of far more than what we got.

Anyway, I wouldn't mind being wrong, but I think the new staff and personnel management issues will mean a rocky ride for Seattle later this year. They have a lot of great pieces, but they need to be put to better use, and they need to fill some holes and build some depth.



platformmaster918 said:

Belicheat received lots of boos actually

Well that's because nobody likes him including myself. New England however recieved many cheers. The champs recieved many cheers after the game as well.

Belicheat? Seriously? Name calling? pff...are you six years old?



gergroy said:
Chris Hu said:

Very unlikely to happen but there is a chance it could.  Everybody thought that Drew Breeze would appear in numerous Super Bowls after the Saints won their first one but at this point the Saints even coming close to another Super Bowl with Breeze as quaterback is highly unlikely.  As a matter of fact unless they get at least one game at home with him in the playoffs Breeze winning another playoffs game is highly unlikely.  One thing that is pretty certain is that I doubt that the Seahawks will be in next years Super Bowl even though the Vegas odds makers give them a better chance to making it back to next years game then the Patriots.


Why is that?  They don't have a notable free agents that could leave.  The Seahawks are loaded with talent, it could very easily happen!

Lynch could easily sign with another team especially since this is more then likely will be his final contract and he already has a ring and now he wants to get paid.  Also he started his career with the Bills so its not like he played his whole career with the Seahawks.



Arkaign said:
gergroy said:


Why is that?  They don't have a notable free agents that could leave.  The Seahawks are loaded with talent, it could very easily happen!


Imho the Seahawks won't be back next year. My reasoning is that they are losing their DC, their OC will probably get fired (deservedly so), and it sounds like they still have some issues to work out with in regards to team chemistry.

Wilson is being seriously misused, the gameplan for the SB was botched so horrendously that I honestly can't believe it. With a strong running game, it's an investment that you have to make, and you have to keep to it, pummel over and over, even if in some cases it seems crazy, like running on 3rd and 5. If you in fact DO have an effective bruising running style, it begins to open the defense up a bit as they compensate by bringing more players to the box. It's no coincidence that strong running teams often start breaking big plays as the game wears on, and the defense starts to buckle a bit.

With the SB, they were able to get up by 10 points, and then on successive drives they kept running ill advised pass plays, even after getting some decent success with the running game. It doesn't even need to be said what a travesty that final call was. Stopping Lynch again by that point was going to be unlikely, particularly if they had a prepared play, rushed to the line, and rammed it through. Hell, even sell a great fake handoff up the middle and have Russell do the end around, he had been making defenders look slow all day.

Where Wilson is NOT great at, is a lot of areas of the passing game. While I do believe he is a smart and hard working guy, he cannot be a Brady or a Peyton style QB. The sit in the pocket throw a bullet or a perfect deep spiral is not in the cards (not that Peyton seems capable of that any more lol).

Imho they need a dynamo TE, they need another solid OL workhorse, and they need to keep Lynch, and give him more to work with. Their WR talent is not great, and really anything much more than 25-30 yards out is a prayer with the eternity it takes for those slow high arcs to get there. A game plan designed to maul you for about 4-5 yards on every play is going to be a lot more successful than constantly trying to use Wilson in a way that doesn't work all that well.

One has to admit with great enthusiasm that the Seahawks great success (and let's be honest, winning a SB, then coming within a play of winning a 2nd the very next year IS a great deal of success) is due HUGELY to their defense. However, we can see that even with one or two players dropping out causes the entire thing to start crumbling. Yes, Sherman still dominated his area so completely that he basically shut down part of the field on Sunday. But what else happened? With Lane going down, the backup wasn't up to the task. Overall speed on that Zone was bad. It got so awful in the 2nd half that Brady didn't even have to work to score. Defenders were 4+ yards OFF of the receievers, giving up huge yardage on every down almost uncontested. Speed to tackle was horrible, tackling quality was horrible, it was just a disaster. Both teams played so poorly on the whole in that game that it was honestly an embarassment of a championship game. Exceptions were out there for extraordinary efforts, but blegh, it was an ugly affair. Even more troubling was the fact that the game vs. the Packers was also incredibly ugly. Close, yes, but close doesn't equal GOOD.

As bad as the Seahawks played on Sunday, if it had been Green Bay, Dallas, or even Detroit playing one of their top games, they would have beaten NE. And conversely, the Seahawks were so awful that pretty much any top AFC team would have had a solid shot at dropping them. Very disappointing for the top seeds of each conference. I know that both teams are capable of far more than what we got.

Anyway, I wouldn't mind being wrong, but I think the new staff and personnel management issues will mean a rocky ride for Seattle later this year. They have a lot of great pieces, but they need to be put to better use, and they need to fill some holes and build some depth.

Nope, Green Bay, Dallas or Detroit would have gotten demolished by the Patriots since their defenses are nowhere near top notch and closer to what the Colts have and they totally got destoyed by the Patriots.  Plus neither of those teams have a good rushing defense Brady could have easily won against any of those teams without even passing for 250 yards.  Also why did you even bring up Detroit they got manhandled by the Patriots during week 12 even though they where as close to full strenght as the where all season during that game.  Green Bay would be the only team that could have come close and they still would have lost by at least 7 points.  The only reason they won the regular season matchup was because of home field advantage and they barely won despite having 158 more offensive yards.  Also the only other AFC playoff team that could have beaten the Seahawks on Sunday would have been the Ravens all the other teams would have easily lost against the Seahawks especially the Colts and the Broncos.



Chris Hu said:
gergroy said:
Chris Hu said:

Very unlikely to happen but there is a chance it could.  Everybody thought that Drew Breeze would appear in numerous Super Bowls after the Saints won their first one but at this point the Saints even coming close to another Super Bowl with Breeze as quaterback is highly unlikely.  As a matter of fact unless they get at least one game at home with him in the playoffs Breeze winning another playoffs game is highly unlikely.  One thing that is pretty certain is that I doubt that the Seahawks will be in next years Super Bowl even though the Vegas odds makers give them a better chance to making it back to next years game then the Patriots.


Why is that?  They don't have a notable free agents that could leave.  The Seahawks are loaded with talent, it could very easily happen!

Lynch could easily sign with another team especially since this is more then likely will be his final contract and he already has a ring and now he wants to get paid.  Also he started his career with the Bills so its not like he played his whole career with the Seahawks.


He could... In 2016, he still has another year on his contract... that is if they don't extend him which it sounds like they are doing.  The best possible free agen the Seahawks have this year is Byron maxwell, who wouldn't be that hard to replace, nobody that could leave would be that hard to replace.  Kearse, lockette, carpenter, etc.  all the possible free agents are either average or crappy...



Well one thing that goes strongly in the Seahawks favor is that the Arizona Cardinals have the second worst situation when it comes to cap space so they can't get better through free agents.



Chris Hu said:

Well one thing that goes strongly in the Seahawks favor is that the Arizona Cardinals have the second worst situation when it comes to cap space so they can't get better through free agents.


and the seahawks have the 5th best situation...



Chris Hu said:
Arkaign said:

Nope, Green Bay, Dallas or Detroit would have gotten demolished by the Patriots since their defenses are nowhere near top notch and closer to what the Colts have and they totally got destoyed by the Patriots.  Plus neither of those teams have a good rushing defense Brady could have easily won against any of those teams without even passing for 250 yards.  Also why did you even bring up Detroit they got manhandled by the Patriots during week 12 even though they where as close to full strenght as the where all season during that game.  Green Bay would be the only team that could have come close and they still would have lost by at least 7 points.  The only reason they won the regular season matchup was because of home field advantage and they barely won despite having 158 more offensive yards.  Also the only other AFC playoff team that could have beaten the Seahawks on Sunday would have been the Ravens all the other teams would have easily lost against the Seahawks especially the Colts and the Broncos.

You mean the same Green Bay team that beat the Patriots 26-21 in November (long after the Patriots got out of their early funk?). 'Totally destroyed', sure. That's why they lost to them previously.

You didn't even read the thing obviously, as the whole point was not 'who is the better team' when playing well, but rather who could have beat those teams considering how horribly they played in the SB. It was a close game, but it was played horribly. If the Patriots and Seahawks played better it wouldn't be as much of a question, but similar to how Seattle played like hammered shit for 3 quarters in the NFC Championship game, both teams played just plain bad in the SB. I've rewatched it twice now, and the 2nd half stands out as just amatuerish overall.



Arkaign said:
Chris Hu said:

Nope, Green Bay, Dallas or Detroit would have gotten demolished by the Patriots since their defenses are nowhere near top notch and closer to what the Colts have and they totally got destoyed by the Patriots.  Plus neither of those teams have a good rushing defense Brady could have easily won against any of those teams without even passing for 250 yards.  Also why did you even bring up Detroit they got manhandled by the Patriots during week 12 even though they where as close to full strenght as the where all season during that game.  Green Bay would be the only team that could have come close and they still would have lost by at least 7 points.  The only reason they won the regular season matchup was because of home field advantage and they barely won despite having 158 more offensive yards.  Also the only other AFC playoff team that could have beaten the Seahawks on Sunday would have been the Ravens all the other teams would have easily lost against the Seahawks especially the Colts and the Broncos.

You mean the same Green Bay team that beat the Patriots 26-21 in November (long after the Patriots got out of their early funk?). 'Totally destroyed', sure. That's why they lost to them previously.

You didn't even read the thing obviously, as the whole point was not 'who is the better team' when playing well, but rather who could have beat those teams considering how horribly they played in the SB. It was a close game, but it was played horribly. If the Patriots and Seahawks played better it wouldn't be as much of a question, but similar to how Seattle played like hammered shit for 3 quarters in the NFC Championship game, both teams played just plain bad in the SB. I've rewatched it twice now, and the 2nd half stands out as just amatuerish overall.

At Lambeau Field where Green Bay was perfect this season and when the Pats played them they were averaging almost 44 points per game at home.