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Namco Dev EXPLAINS why TOV was a Timed 360 Exclusive (SHOCK)!

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Sony is a freaking dickhead for asking for extra content. F#$@ them for letting the PS3 owners to have the incentive to buy ToV at full price. Damn you to hell! Sony. I hope you go bankrupt!








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Gilgamesh said:

This is why Sony is the number one gaming company, smart business.

 



So...this link shows sony's attitude is FUCK YOU developer...

Also...if M$ moneyhats the developer...why exactly again are they not making enough money to cover the cost? Seems like M$ is giving them some seed money to reduce cost, and allow them to build more proficiency to develop for thei platform...that's SMART business...VERY smart, and if anybody had a clue about business, they would slam sony for not doing the same.



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heruamon said:
So...this link shows sony's attitude is FUCK YOU developer...

Also...if M$ moneyhats the developer...why exactly again are they not making enough money to cover the cost? Seems like M$ is giving them some seed money to reduce cost, and allow them to build more proficiency to develop for thei platform...that's SMART business...VERY smart, and if anybody had a clue about business, they would slam sony for not doing the same.

This is a good example where a very limited perspective can give someone the completely wrong idea.

MS only moneyhats projects that will benefit them in a serious manner -- i.e. big projects with appeal in regions where they need to gain ground, and where they stand to benefit from "starving" the competition.  This has nothing to do with helping the very select few developers that they moneyhat, and everything to do with market positioning.  They do this in return for (timed) exclusivity, because paying for full exclusives isn't worthwhile (to them)

Sony, on the other hand, helps small self-publishing devs pay for their entry into the console scene, in return for exclusivity.  That's any small self-published dev who gets by the hurdles to make a PSN game at all, not just the select few who are going to benefit them in some major market position.

So... in fact, I think you have a severe case of anti-Sony bias in your assumption, heruamon.  In fact, Sony is looking out for both the developer and consumer with their policies.  MS seems to be looking out for themselves alone.  Jumping the gun, with the judgement-passing, is a pretty severe detriment to the validity of anything in your statements, IMO.



 

heruamon said:
So...this link shows sony's attitude is FUCK YOU developer...

Also...if M$ moneyhats the developer...why exactly again are they not making enough money to cover the cost? Seems like M$ is giving them some seed money to reduce cost, and allow them to build more proficiency to develop for thei platform...that's SMART business...VERY smart, and if anybody had a clue about business, they would slam sony for not doing the same.

That money was intended to help build an install base in Japan.

Time for a new strategy, MS.



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Loud_Hot_White_Box said:
heruamon said:
So...this link shows sony's attitude is FUCK YOU developer...

Also...if M$ moneyhats the developer...why exactly again are they not making enough money to cover the cost? Seems like M$ is giving them some seed money to reduce cost, and allow them to build more proficiency to develop for thei platform...that's SMART business...VERY smart, and if anybody had a clue about business, they would slam sony for not doing the same.

That money was intended to help build an install base in Japan.

Time for a new strategy, MS.


LOL Sony has always had an installed base in Japan that was just waiting until they lowered the price and got more JRPG's.



I laugh when some of you try to put Sony in a bad light because of their demand of extra content... OF COURSE they should get extra content for a game that is released 1 year after it has been released on their competitor's console. Otherwise Sony would be stupid, as they would not have any advantages over the price reduced 360 ToV version. Sony is no bad guy here, and both MS and Nintendo would do the exact same thing. In my opinion it is more morally wrong for a company like MS, with an endless sack of gold that no competitors could rival, to throw their money to devs left and right. I do not understand how some of you see Sony's actions as blackmailing and morally wrong when you obviously support all the moneyhats. They are both business practices, and I support Sony's practice a lot more than MS' in this case. I am not saying moneyhats are negative in all cases, and I guess it is a fairly good practice to help devs create their games more easily, but when this is the standard procedure you use trying to get games for your platform...

Also, I see some of you mention this is helping a lot of devs, etc, and YES it DOES, but MS is only moneyhatting huge franchises and devs anyways, not smaller devs that might need the money more than Namco Bandai and their "successful" Tales-series, or Enix's SO-series, or T2's Bioshock, or Tecmo's Ninja Gaiden... In my opinion, this shows that the moneyhatting is purely for MS' benefit and their's only. They want the huge franchises on their platform and away from Sony's. The main reason behind the moneyhatting is NOT to help devs in any way, but try to lure customers (mainly in Japan with the JRPGs) to buy the 360. Just like any other business practice out there.


As far as I know, Sony secures 3rd party exclusives because they have an interesting platform to develop on. Of course they might pay of devs as well, and I actually believe they do, but we have no information of such a thing to have taken place. Therefore I have to go under the assumption that Sony secure their 3rd party exclusives with the use of other methods than moneyhatting.

I applaud Sony this gen for showing the courage and skills to develop their own titles and not resort to paying devs off to keep their games exclusive (timed or fully) to their platform. This shows a internal strength and it's the reason why I always have and always will love and respect Nintendo as a company, even though they have been really stupid this gen.

 

Like, how is any of this any different than Sony (with IBM) funding the production and R&D of the 360's processor? Microsoft gets what they deserve... Hopefully sooner than expected Mr. Karma will come and kick them in the teeth.



This timed exclusivity crap sucks. I don't like how the PS3 version will have more features than the game I payed for, but I sure as hell wouldn't like waiting an entire year to play a game that's been out.

Why is Namco acting like they were forced into making the decision they did? The fact is, they chose to take the money, and they knew what the final outcome would have to be. The traces of the PS3 additions found in the 360 version aren't helping their case.

I'm done supporting any suspicious third party exclusive games. I'll just rent / borrow if it's a must-play game. Really, this shit needs to stop.


... By the way, the fanboyism shown in this thread is kind of painful to read through. Bleh.



If this is true then good. Not so much the Developers taking payoffs from microsoft part but Sony's Policy for a richer game. Especially if a franchise use to be Sony Playstation exclusive. Why should sony hand any developer money for a game that's not exclusive to them? Sony has it's own exclusives and troubles.

The game is still just a port so it's not even made specifically for the ps3?! I don't think anyone's making them bring their games to ps3 and I don't see how this is blackmail. I'm surprised sony hasn't taken it a step further and make dev's who take money to delay a game on ps3 for timed exclusivity for another platform to publicly state so before that game is released on that other platform. It seems to me like anything named Timed Exclusive for PS3 is revealed to be so way before the game is even released. As a Playstation Fan i'd applaud sony for this.

If anyone gets mad who bought a game a whole YEAR earlier on another platform then I say, tough.




Logic. No shame to buy exclusives. Sony did it, but they buy flops lika Haze and Unreal Tournament III.

Didnt change anything. JRPGS maybe dont sell well, like often becuase its few JRPGS that sell well. In Western JRPG have sold good consider that its for Xbox 360.