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ChichiriMuyo on 13 October 2007
HappySqurriel said:
OriGin said:
Hilary?

Bush or Gore is worse? I'm for Bush being worse.

Why haven't the US signed the Carbon Emission bill that the rest of the world has already?

You mean the Kyoto Protocol?

All Kyoto will do is push Carbon Emissions from western countries with (fairly) strict environmental policies, to developing nations like China and India where they will not only produce more carbon dioxide but will also produce acid rain, poison their soil, and destroy their local environment.

The Asia-Pacific partnership is actually a far more important treaty with less ambitious goals but is far more likely to meet those goals ...

I don't know whether Gore would be better or worse than Bush, but I don't think he was an high enough quality candidate to win and I'm possitive he was never going to be one of the US' better presidents.


Kyoto will do more than just that, it'll be an economic drain on every country that supports it.  At this point we actually have the ability to provide the entire world with clean, safe energy at one tenth of the cost of actually following the Kyoto protocol.



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rendo on 13 October 2007
BenKenobi88 said:
Yeah, I agree with stof for the most part. Unfortunately, he is a sheep for not agreeing with rendo's exact ideas.

 I never said they were my ideas, but I'm glad you know other sheep like yourself. ;)



stof on 13 October 2007
HappySqurriel said:

You mean the Kyoto Protocol?

All Kyoto will do is push Carbon Emissions from western countries with (fairly) strict environmental policies, to developing nations like China and India where they will not only produce more carbon dioxide but will also produce acid rain, poison their soil, and destroy their local environment.

The Asia-Pacific partnership is actually a far more important treaty with less ambitious goals but is far more likely to meet those goals ...

I don't know whether Gore would be better or worse than Bush, but I don't think he was an high enough quality candidate to win and I'm possitive he was never going to be one of the US' better presidents.


Sorry Squrriel, but the Asia-Pacific treaty is terrible. The same countries that claimed Global warming didn't exist now suddenly claim that they have the best plan to beat it. And what is that plan? It's voluntary...

I also really take issue with saying that Kyoto is wrong because it unfairly targets western countries. Of course it does. We're the worst countries per capita and we have the money to be able to make said changes with relative ease. As the rich mega polluting countries, maybe we should fix our own problems before telling countries with millions of poor and emerging economies to fix their own.



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BenKenobi88 on 13 October 2007
rendo said:
BenKenobi88 said:
Yeah, I agree with stof for the most part. Unfortunately, he is a sheep for not agreeing with rendo's exact ideas.

I never said they were my ideas, but I'm glad you know other sheep like yourself. ;)


 And I say you're the sheep for buying into some crazy "facts" and then not allowing yourself to hear other people's opinions which are equally bound to facts.



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Kasz216 on 13 October 2007
The Kyoto protocal is a waste of time though.  I thought Canada was going to pull out of that as well?  I was pretty sure one of the scientists who suggested they sign it later said if he knew what he knew now he would advise against it.
Most of the global warming stuff is just a scam.  Not that global warming is a scam... but the solutions to fix it actually arn't solutions but ways for people to benefit out of fear.
The Global Carbon credit plan for example wouldn't of cut down on emissions so much as it would force developed countries to pay undeveloped countries for credits they arn't going to use in the first place.
Also, since we're getting poltical.  I was against invading Iraq.  When the news broke I actually said "Iraq?  If anything we should invade Iran." because just about everyone knew they were the ones who were actually going to get weapons of mass destruction, and that those weapons would be the really bad kind that can irradicate the countryside.  Also they already have a number of people who don't like how their goverment runs and protests despite all the trouble and possible death it can give you.
Still, now that your in Iraq you can't just leave.  A Majority of Iraq's hate the idea we're in Iraq, but they hate one thing worse, the idea of us leaving.

It's our mess.  We made it, and it'd be a little shady of us as a country if we just said "Whoops your problem now!" and just let them sort it out. That's how Afghanistan ended up how it is afterall... and we saw how well that worked out for the US. 
As for the US manipulating other countries... oh yeah.  The governments screwed a lot of countries, so have the buisnesses.  Look how they pretty much destroyed Jamaca's economy by the United Fruit Company (Dole?) taking out their number 1 import, then some chicken companies destory their 2nd best import by selling really cheap dark meat because a lot of Americans only buy chicken breasts instead of full chickens.  (Do your part buy thighs!)
But honestly, what governement doesn't?  They pretty much all do if they're powerful enough because that's what governments are partially set up for.  To do things to ensure that they stay "On top" on the world stage and nuetralize other threats.  Through manipulation first, because nobody likes wars.  I'm sure even Canada has done it's fair share of manipulation of other countries... it's just nobody cares as much.  Of course if you don't believe that it's another reason for the "American Union" to take place.  Canada could act as the US' "concsience". 


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rendo on 13 October 2007
BenKenobi88 said:
rendo said:
BenKenobi88 said:
Yeah, I agree with stof for the most part. Unfortunately, he is a sheep for not agreeing with rendo's exact ideas.

I never said they were my ideas, but I'm glad you know other sheep like yourself. ;)


And I say you're the sheep for buying into some crazy "facts" and then not allowing yourself to hear other people's opinions which are equally bound to facts.


 I'm sorry, all I read was BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. :)



Kasz216 on 13 October 2007

Also. I'd actually be for getting rid of things like the department of education... and say, the department of homeland security... since they seem to do nothing. I mean Montana gets the same amount of protection money from terrorists as New York. Why not just make that department one guy with a check book?

Anyway, while i'd like to get rid of 80% of the government stuff, I know it isn't going to happen... and it's better to go one way or another then be stuck in the middle like the US is.



BenKenobi88 on 13 October 2007

@ Putting a ":)" at the end of your posts does not make them alright. You're still acting childish.



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rendo on 13 October 2007

To each his own Ben. The teapot calling the kettle black. :)



megaxl on 13 October 2007
Kasz216 said:

I've wanted the American and Candian currencies combined for a while.

Wonder how they would do it for mexico though considering the exchange rate.  Maybe are money would be like the Yen.  I kinda like the thought of bills with unnessairly high numbers on them.

Could do without adding Mexico in it because of their obvious poverty but hey, it could help out mexico a lot anyway... maybe America would finally get a universal healthcare system out of it... and Canada would get...

Cheaper videogame systems? Well that and probably products in general because they couldn't screw canadians by basing it on currency rates locked in back when the dollar was up on it a lot.

Probably a Lose, Lose, Win. But hey, why not. As for the, rape rates etc rising from immagrants. That's the same everywhere... whenever a large mass of poor people move to a surrounding city.

See what the New Orleans Katrina survivors did to the areas they were put up in.


lolol yes we are poors, i live in a jungle and eat insects lol, c´mon, many people think that Mexico is poor because the inmigrants but this false (we are the14 economic in the world of 181 countries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29 ), here in Mexico we live fine and dont need to go to USA to survive, the mexicans only go to USA to win more money, all countries have rich and poors, the thing is that in Mexico have more people than Canada for example and is obvious that we have more poors than canada.