@Rolstoppable

but aren't mii's free? how could they be sold?

Exactly. Miis are in Wii Sports after all, and since it's bundled with the Wii, this is true!

Great thread as always :D

@Rol

I will argue that Brawl isn't a Mario game!

Mario Kart however is because it includes characters from the Mario universe only and same with Strikers, Tennis and so on.

Mario games only have Mario characters.

Actually I wonder if Starfy will be in Smash Bros 4?

I don't agree with the whole "too cool to be seen playing Mario" thing. The N64 hit when I was in the middle of my teenage coolness (for lack of a better descriptive) and me and all my friends thought Mario 64 was the coolest thing ever at the time! Even when we had house parties at our older friends house everyone gathered around and thought that Mario 64 was awesome and cool.

So, take what you will from it, I realize geekiness plays a factor and most of my friends the same age as I all thought Magic the card game and pen and paper RPGS where cool so....

But I'm not sure who would really see you playing a Mario game except for your friends, its not like you could walk down the school hall with a N64 or a Gamecube strapped to your face. Now wearing a mario t-shirt (which I do) that's another story but those didn't really exist back then, right?

It makes perfect sense.

i saw nordlead's post in you're other thread (why 3rd parties don't do wii games by Rol), this is a reply to that post, right? his reply made me chuckle :D nice analysis indeed ...you made it in like what? 5 minutes? that's quick for a thread this cool :)

it's like an editor spent days writing it, i gotta say it's better written and funnier than any article i've seen in days, and it even sound kinda logical and believable, lol. You're really talented at this (making cool threads).

What I meant to write is that, the most logical assumption to come out of this generation is that Mario, like God, is dead.

There were 60M original mario fans. Now, only 8 or 9 million people buy the games that are nintendo staples.

What I think really happened is that all the people who owned NES as children, like me, grew up and have updated tastes that have the same kind of difficulty level/depth as the original NES/SNES. So we have moved to PC or HD systems. The 8 million or so whom buy the "MARIO" games, are diehard fans. All the new fans prefer simpler games.

My point? From this point on, childhood memories will not be made of Mario, but of Wii sports or other games that children's parents decide their children should play. Nostalgia will eventually die, and mario along with it.

EDIT: for example, in exhibit A, it's not that "people buy wii for Nintendo (1st party) games", but that the same 8 million people that buy all the 1st party nintendo games.

EDIT2: on top of that, it isn't shameful to play Mario games. It's just more fun to play things that have an actual storyline. Mario is like Seinfeld without the jokes.

I know blame the nes for the wii sales

nah , it's just that mario has been getting free ads lately