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Are people ready for a gay main character? I don't mean lesbians, because we all know most straight guys wouldn't mind it.

No.  I wouldn't buy it.

If in Dead Space instead of Isaac Clarke was going after his boyfriend instead of his girlfriend would you have liked it less?

Yes.

 

I find homosexuality...unsettling.  So, I guess I'm not ready for it.



Lightning_24 said:

I wanted to find an article about it but i couldn't. Hearing about the Bioware thing that is going on now, I thought i would pose the question.

 

Are people ready for a gay main character? I don't mean lesbians, because we all know most straight guys wouldn't mind it.

 

Here are some examples of games that have gay characters:

Valkyria Chronicles

Fable I/II

Jade Empire

KOTOR (I can't remember if there was one in the second)

Deus Ex

Persona 4

Enchanted Arms

GTA4

Fear Effect 2

Fallout

Mass Effect

Indigo Prophecy/Fahrenheit

Chrono Trigger

Metal Gear Solid 2/3/4

 

I'm sure there are some i am missing but thats all i can think of now.

 

So are people ready? I'm not saying the main character has to be overtly gay. I don't mean a stereotype. I mean a regular guy, who has an epic backstory and epic quest, but is gay. Would you play the game if it was that EPIC?

I don't want to make people mad or anything, i'm sure i will with this statement, but i have seen people say Marcus Fenix of Gears could be gay. I have never played the game so you will have to enlighten me.

 

Would find Nathans sense of humor less funny in Uncharted if Nathan Drake was a "guys man" instead of a "ladies man?"

If in Dead Space instead of Isaac Clarke was going after his boyfriend instead of his girlfriend would you have liked it less?

 

Edit: Added more games

Yep, you missed the most important one.

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meh I'm a little late to this thread and I'm too lazy to read all the old posts but I think there were a few gay characters in the Last Remnant who worked behind the bar counter.

 

also I think there was a lesbian cop boss in Dead Rising.. yup there is :P

 



KylieDog said:
Lightning_24 said:

Valkyria Chronicles is great though. I only thought there was one gay character, Jann, but there are a few more. The potentials that have "Fancies Women" and "Fancies Men" there are guy characters that have "Fancies Men" Ted has "Fancies Men" and when he is near Melville and they fire together, Melville will say, "I'm with you Teddy Bear!"

I think it is great.

 

Ted is not gay, he is bisexual.

 

I didn't read the entire 3 pages so I don't know if this has been pointed out already.

I know Ted is bi but is that really a big different. He still likes guys. I never said he was gay, maybe because i listed Jann first i didn't word the rest right. I just said there is a guy character that have "Fancies Men" i didn't mention that he "Fancies Women" also because i wasn't talking about that part.

 



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Mark my words. Lighting from FFXIII will be a lesbian. Vanille will be her lover.
:D



 

 

 

 

 

haxxiy said:
Mark my words. Lighting from FFXIII will be a lesbian. Vanille will be her lover.
:D

 

I bet Lightning won't have a love interest. But i think i might agree with you. But i think everyone can accept a lesbian.



Lightning_24 said:
haxxiy said:
Mark my words. Lighting from FFXIII will be a lesbian. Vanille will be her lover.
:D

 

I bet Lightning won't have a love interest. But i think i might agree with you. But i think everyone can accept a lesbian.

 

 Lol, I've just recalled SE said she would be a "female version of Cloud", so definitely is a possibility :D :D



 

 

 

 

 

axumblade said:
CHYUII said:
axumblade said:
CHYUII said:
mesoteto said:
It will never work to trick people like that

Samus got away with it b/c the majority of the crowd was horny straight males, they saw chic in bikini and would let it slid

If it were a gay dude…epic firestorm and the game would have sales dry up among the crowd you were targeting (however the gay gamer community would grab the game with open arms)

But the group your trying to trick into it would rebel on a massive scale

Plus with the available amount of info in the net these days something that epic would never stay secret

 

 

I agree with you.

 Some of the people who purchase games are already outcast without having to take on another person's cause. People who are pursecuted sometimes tend to dump on the next group.

I think about Alpha Flight, a comic, that had some popular characters in it. One of which, came out as being gay, a guy called North Star.

He was treated like the plague after.

What happens is men star ribbing other men about their associations saying if you read a book that has a gay in it you must be one too.

In gaming many men are attacked for playing as a woman character, especially if you have a choice. "Dude, why did you pick a chick."

Personally, since my goal is to play a game and not to be in a game, I always go for the prettiest character because that is what I am going to have to stare at for the duration of the game. Who pick the ugliest car or wallpaper their desktops with something they don't like?

 

 

weird. I didn't see people minding when the whole thing went down with Collossus but I guess it was just to me that it didn't matter since I only have openminded friends to talk about comic books with. x.o

Times have changed a bit, plus Colossus (Piotr Nikolaievitch Rasputin) is part of a well established and loved book.

AND MOST of ALL you are talking about Colossus of the ULTIMATE Marvel Universe.

If they did that in the Main Marvel Universe your point will have more wieght.

 

 

My point has still been proven. Especially considering Alpha Flight was a flop (hense why it ended in the 90's) wheras people actually read Ultimate X-Men. Unless they have brought back the comic since i stopped reading comic books a long time ago.

axumblade I give you as much space as I can when I say, "Times have changed a bit." So please read my post before you start quoting dates, I already took that into consideration.

Still, my point was that people are ribbed because of the characters they play and the things that they associate with NOT that comics fail in 2009 because of gay or female characters.

Tell how life with your friends undoes my own personal observations, and not only that what does the open-mindedness of your friends, as a whole, have to do with the struggles of gay americans? Are you saying because you are open minded that they can not claim persecution, because everyone is like you?

You are trying to make a point with my words, all I have said is that people are persecuted for such things. So do not try to pull me off point with trickery.

 

Here is the Wikipedia post (which I include to show you it WAS controversial). Google these words ("NorthStar" "comics" "gay") and you will see the controversy.

Comic book writer and artist John Byrne has stated that while planning the Alpha Flight series that was launched in 1983, the characters had little to no depth, and so he decided to flesh them out:

One of the things that popped immediately into my head was to make one of them gay. I had recently read an article in Scientific American on what was then (the early 80s) fairly radical new thinking on just what processes caused a person to be homosexual, and the evidence was pointing increasingly to it being genetic and not environmental factors. So, I thought, it seemed like it was time for a gay superhero, and since I was being 'forced' to make Alpha Flight a real series, I might as well make one of them gay. . . . I settled on Jean-Paul, and the moment I did I realized it was already there. Somewhere in the back of my mind, I must have been considering making him gay before I 'decided' to do so.[20]

Marvel editor-in-chief Jim Shooter, wary of promoting agendas from either side of the political spectrum, had decreed that there were to be no explicitly gay characters in the Marvel universe.[21] The Comics Code Authority also prevented Marvel from publicly stating Northstar was homosexual.[22] Byrne, therefore, was only able to imply that Northstar was gay.[20]

Northstar as depicted in the Marvel Universe Swimsuit Edition 1995. Art by P. Craig Russell.

When Bill Mantlo succeeded Byrne as Alpha Flight writer, he began a storyline in which Northstar became infected with a strange illness. Mantlo intended to reveal that the illness was AIDS and then kill off the character in Alpha Flight #50. However, Marvel's editors intervened and Mantlo was forced to change the ending: instead of dying of AIDS, Northstar was revealed to be a magical being whose illness was the result of prolonged separation from his homeland. Peter David later sarcastically described this incident as "He wasn't gay. He was just a fairy."[23] The fairy retcon was retconned back out by later Alpha Flight writers, though what Northstar's original illness had been was not addressed.

In Alpha Flight #106, published in 1992, some years after Shooter had left Marvel, writer Scott Lobdell was finally given permission to allow Northstar to utter the words "I am gay."[24] The event generated some publicity in the mainstream press[25] and Alpha Flight #106 sold out in a week, despite the fact that the series was not a very popular title.[24] Shortly before Northstar admitted he was gay, he was voted Canada's most eligible bachelor, in the Alpha Flight series.

Northstar's coming out was controversial[26] and as a result, little mention was made of his sexual orientation for the remainder of the first Alpha Flight series, which ended in 1994. It wasn't ignored entirely, however; one subplot dealt with his sister Aurora's reaction, in which the "Aurora" personality was accepting, while the "Jeanne-Marie" one was not. A subsequent mini-series starring Northstar also dodged the issue.

While at least three background characters in the classic 1986 mini-series Watchmen were homosexual, making it the first mainstream comics series to feature openly gay characters,[citation needed] the characters Northstar, Mystique and Destiny were all created years beforehand. And even though the editors at Marvel would not let it be openly stated, these characters were intended from almost the beginning to be gay/bisexual.[27]

By 2001, society's views on homosexuality had changed considerably. In that year, Northstar's sexual orientation played a large role in the storyline in which he joined a temporary team of X-Men and faced another recruit, Paulie Provenzano, who was extremely homophobic. Though the two began their mission as enemies, they eventually made peace with one another. Northstar developed the same relationship with Juggernaut, when the two served on the same X-Team.

When Northstar joined the X-Men as a regular member in 2002, writers were less hesitant to address his sexual orientation. Northstar even experienced a crush on the long-time X-Man Iceman, though it was a one-sided love.

One of his students in the Alpha Squadron, Victor Borkowski, the gay mutant Anole, looks up to him as a role model.

 

 



Alpha Flight flopped because it was about Canadian Superheroes.