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-GhostMLD- on 21 November 2008
FishyJoe said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

Food and other essential goods producers are still thriving, the crisis is not as widespread as bankers would like us to believe to persuade even the most liberist governments to give them money and have their errors paid at public expense.

A crisis exists, anyway, but it will hit more or less every competitor, for example MS is trying even the most shameful things against ODF (trying to cripple it at ISO committees too, by trying to force it to adapt to interact with OOXML, instead of enforcing the latter's highly criticized flaws and quirks correction) to stop the irresistible decline of Office in the SOHO market, Vista is so hated that it will die young, killed by Windows 7, Linux, although still minority, is doing so well on cheaper subnotebook to make Ballmer's few remaining hair curl and force him to extend XP's life, thinking only Sony is hit is irrealistic.

 

The fact is that consumer electronics will be hit very hard this holiday season, especially at the upper end where Sony sells. Circuit City declared bankruptcy and Best Buy says the consumer electronics segment will take a massive beating.

I'm not saying MS is in the best of shape, but they have a boatload of money and don't have to fight the yen. And  they don't have to rely on consumer electronics sales this winter is a huge plus.

 

 MS is in a much better shape then Sony. PCs still sell like crazy and MS XP or Vista is bundled with almost each one. The PC market is only going up and MS is reaping the benefits of a near-monopoly (Apple has 10-20% market share I believe).

Plus with Euros and yen being worth more then the American doller, I believe they earn even more from Euro 360 sales.



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Neos on 21 November 2008
CrazzyMan said:
Hard to believe,
will wait till mroe data from GFK will come,
for now it`s just an estimates after all,
everything may change as new data will be available. :)

Anyway, PS3 is still at 400 euro, while x360 is selling at 240.

You do know that PR people aren't allowed to lie?

if they do they are so damn screwed..

think for once in your life crazzyman..

 



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Sardauk on 21 November 2008

2 to 1 ?? This seems a bit too much for me...



 

Evan Wells (Uncharted 2): I think the differences that you see between any two games has much more to do with the developer than whether it’s on the Xbox or PS3.

Legend11 on 21 November 2008

It's pretty obvious that the PS3 is going to get hammered pretty hard for the rest of the year. Sony fanboys should just go into their bunkers and watch "This is Living" until the worst is over. Maybe morale can be kept up by talking about the PS3's wonder weapons.



Magnific0 on 21 November 2008

^It's also pretty obvious they can take the hammering as long as they continue selling to meet their projections. The competition is selling more, but they estimated they'll take the heat for now selling STEADY, and then probably let all hell loose next year. Like it or not, Microsoft just can't afford another price cut in less than 6 months, and won't do it. Slashing another $50 off the current price won't work miracles either, right now the 360 is cheaper than the Wii, so why isn't it selling closer to Wii's numbers? You should compare 360 to Wii and PS2, not to an elite $400+ product. If MS can't challenge Wii this holiday season, and just be content to beat a much more expensive product by, let say 2:1 in USA, and cut close to even in Europe, I don't see where's the victory, I will just see MS saved the 360 from further embarrassment this year, if anything.



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damndl0ser on 21 November 2008
Magnific0 said:

^It's also pretty obvious they can take the hammering as long as they continue selling to meet their projections. The competition is selling more, but they estimated they'll take the heat for now selling STEADY, and then probably let all hell loose next year. Like it or not, Microsoft just can't afford another price cut in less than 6 months, and won't do it. Slashing another $50 off the current price won't work miracles either, right now the 360 is cheaper than the Wii, so why isn't it selling closer to Wii's numbers? You should compare 360 to Wii and PS2, not to an elite $400+ product. If MS can't challenge Wii this holiday season, and just be content to beat a much more expensive product by, let say 2:1 in USA, and cut close to even in Europe, I don't see where's the victory, I will just see MS saved the 360 from further embarrassment this year, if anything.

 

From my understanding, all x360 models still make a profit and the Pro/Elite make a decent profit.  I don't see why M$ couldn't drop the price if the need arrives.  Besides I don't think Sony has any intentions on dropping their price until late next year anyways.

It would be very easy for M$ to add a AAA first party game like Halo 3 to its $199 console to help rocket sales.   I wonder if they would be able to compete with the wii if this happend? 

 

I am expecting the X360 to do 3:1 sales over PS3 in NA Black Friday 'till Dec 25.



"If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow."

Quote by- The Imortal John Wayne, the original BADASS!

 

 

 

amirnetz on 21 November 2008
Reasonable said:

Sony will likely hold to its YTD lead in "Others" because of it good momentum at the first 8 months of the year. However, things reversed dramatically in September, Microsoft pulled ahead in Europe and is not looking back. So expect the hard-core Sony fans to continue to dismiss this development and mention that Sony is still the YTD leader. But both them and the rest of us know that this is immaterial. What's important is the current consistant pace of sales and here the 360 is cleaning them out.

 

By your logic earlier in the year the only think important would have been PS3 outselling 360 in Others and how Sony wouldn't be looking back, etc.  I find it strange you can accept MS managing to reverse a trend but then declare emphatically that everything else is now immaterial.

Do you really think Sony won't respond in some way?  And MS counter respond?  You can't simply draw a line in the sand in Others and go 'that's it, game over'.  Sony is ahead YTD but MS has grabbed back the momentum for the moment.  It's very unlikely that this state of affairs will remain unchanged. 

The past is immaterial when the core conditions changes.  The past should serve us as a reference point only when it helps us to predict the future. If the core paramters have changed then the past performance stops being an indicator of future success and it is only good for nostalgia and fanboys bragging.

Sony will respond at some point. And Microsoft will make its own moves. And each of these steps may change the core parameters of the market and will force us to look fresh at the new dynamic in the market. The moves may or may not change the market behavior. Microsoft's price drop was successful agaist the PS3 but did nothing against the Wii. So it is not that any vendor move will automatically be successful.

It is game-over at this point, but it is certainly a consistant new market behavior until Sony is able to come up with a move that can shake the current dynamics and establish new ones.

 



Prediction made on 11/1/2008:

Q4 2008: 27M xbox LTD, 20M PS3 LTD . 2009 sales: 11M xbox,  9M PS3

drkohler on 21 November 2008
damndl0ser said:
Magnific0 said:

 

From my understanding, all x360 models still make a profit and the Pro/Elite make a decent profit.  I don't see why M$ couldn't drop the price if the need arrives.  Besides I don't think Sony has any intentions on dropping their price until late next year anyways.

I am expecting the X360 to do 3:1 sales over PS3 in NA Black Friday 'till Dec 25.

Manufacturing costs are around $250 (+hd) for an XBox360. You do the math...

Sony made their decisions early this year: Sell 10mio PS3 units this fiscal year.  At the moment, their numbers are within this plan although they are beginning to fall back now in weekly numbers compared to last year (as can be expected). (And sorry, no price cut for you..)

 



damndl0ser on 21 November 2008
drkohler said:
damndl0ser said:
Magnific0 said:


From my understanding, all x360 models still make a profit and the Pro/Elite make a decent profit.  I don't see why M$ couldn't drop the price if the need arrives.  Besides I don't think Sony has any intentions on dropping their price until late next year anyways.

I am expecting the X360 to do 3:1 sales over PS3 in NA Black Friday 'till Dec 25.

Manufacturing costs are around $250 (+hd) for an XBox360. You do the math...

Sony made their decisions early this year: Sell 10mio PS3 units this fiscal year.  At the moment, their numbers are within this plan although they are beginning to fall back now in weekly numbers compared to last year (as can be expected). (And sorry, no price cut for you..)

 

Can you give me a link on those prices?



"If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow."

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drkohler on 21 November 2008
damndl0ser said:
drkohler said:
damndl0ser said:
Magnific0 said:

Manufacturing costs are around $250 (+hd) for an XBox360. You do the math...

Can you give me a link on those prices?

Nope sorry, but the value of $250 for an XBox360 (and $350 for a PS3) is floating around in hardware discussion forums (and coincides with my own experiences of 25 years in mass manufacturing industries).