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twesterm said:
FPSrules said:
why do ppl keep talking about netflix, do ya know in dvdxpress you can rent as many movies as you want for $1 a day (per movie), or $13 a month. and they constatiltly adding movies

Just because I was curious, this is what you get for $12.99 per month with DVDXpress

  • A single movie at a time
  • they are not mailed to you
  • You have to pick the movies up in person
  • You're treated fairly compared to Netflix (whatever that means)
  • Nowhere near the selection as Netflix

And I'm pretty sure this is the thing I've seen at Wal-Mart and I had thought they were fairly limited in their selection.  It's a large box the size of a soda machine so it obviously does not have the selection Netflix has.

This is what you get with Netflix for $8.99 a month

  • pretty much every DVD and BluRay you can imagine
  • shipped to your door (takes about 2 days)
  • Rent as much as you want per month (but only one at a time for the $8.99 plan)
  • Unlimited Watch Instantly on your computer
  • Unlimited Watch HD instantly on your 360
  • For $13.99 a month, everything above plus one more movie at home at a time
  • More plans to allow for more movies at a time.

Why is DVDXpress better again?

$1 DVD rental booths >>> both netflix and dvdx

 

 



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all the movies which arent on 360, will eventually come. sony needs all the money they can get, with the gaming divison losing money.



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sweettoof said:
twesterm said:
FPSrules said:
why do ppl keep talking about netflix, do ya know in dvdxpress you can rent as many movies as you want for $1 a day (per movie), or $13 a month. and they constatiltly adding movies

Just because I was curious, this is what you get for $12.99 per month with DVDXpress

  • A single movie at a time
  • they are not mailed to you
  • You have to pick the movies up in person
  • You're treated fairly compared to Netflix (whatever that means)
  • Nowhere near the selection as Netflix

And I'm pretty sure this is the thing I've seen at Wal-Mart and I had thought they were fairly limited in their selection.  It's a large box the size of a soda machine so it obviously does not have the selection Netflix has.

This is what you get with Netflix for $8.99 a month

  • pretty much every DVD and BluRay you can imagine
  • shipped to your door (takes about 2 days)
  • Rent as much as you want per month (but only one at a time for the $8.99 plan)
  • Unlimited Watch Instantly on your computer
  • Unlimited Watch HD instantly on your 360
  • For $13.99 a month, everything above plus one more movie at home at a time
  • More plans to allow for more movies at a time.

Why is DVDXpress better again?

$1 DVD rental booths >>> both netflix and dvdx

 

 

 

Yeah, but that has late fees and you still have to drive to wherever that booth is.  That means I would either have to brave Wal-Mart at the busy hours or rent movies at 1 in the morning.  I'd rather just get the movies in the mail for cheaper.



eliasg said:
Xen said:
eliasg said:
imagine Microsoft not offering Windows to SONY VAIO , what is going to happen????

It's less "MS offers" than "Sony buys".

Anyway, Linux.

 

 

Dont get me wrong, but linux are still not so popular in the puplic. Programmers like my self are the people that use this operating system more often...

 

If Sony's revenue was as much as MS revenue for licensing Windows to VAIO, then I doubt Sony Pictures would take those movies out, besides, the last thing MS wants is for Sony (and Dell and HP/Compaq because you can bet your ass they would side with the Laptop manufacturer Sony and not Microsoft) to partner up with Apple OS or put Linux on their computers and yes there are very user friendly versions of Linux out there. If memory serves me right both Dell and HP talked about expanding their Linux installed computers which IMO would be great.

 

selnor said:

LOL. Sony's laptops wouldnt stand a chance in the mainstream computer world. The average computer user knows windows. I'm not talking the boffins who understand the benefits of each OS. But the computer casuals who surf the net. These peole and all of their friends have seen and only used Windows. That would be a big blow to Sony laptops.

Anyways M$ got into court for cornering the computer market to much. If Sony did pull this I could certainly see them in court. Because and I quote "Sony not allowing M$ to have streaming films is like Sony not allowing Sony Picture DVD's to run on a 360 DVD drive. They are just 2 different methods of viewing the movie. Both Legal adaptions."

Also if I'm right the 360 is more a medium for Netflix to expand to. And considering you need a netflix account, it's netflix that need the rights to stream the films. The fact that Netflix use the 360 as a viewer Sony can do F**K all about. Otherwise Netflix would have to stop the PC version streaming for these films to.

Either M$ is double checking the Legal issues, or they are general teething problems.

 


What Sony is doing, if it really is doing it, is not illegal, Sony does not have a monopoly in the movie industry. MS will not not allow Sony to license Windows, if one Window license is what? 150 bucks, then that's hundreds of millions of revenue in their pocket every year from Sony Vaio's computer alone.

 

And nowadays it is viable to sell computers with other OS installed in them, just look at Apple, I wish the industry would move forward and allow consumers to buy laptops either with no OS or with Linux installed, it would save us money because those companies pass those licensing fees onto us.



I don't own a 360, but I still think it's pretty cool even without Sony movies. 80-90% of all the movies on Netflix is pretty cool.



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Some of Sony movies are nice, so it is hurting me kinda. But look I might use to this service cause its rental only and I like having the actual disc media in my hand and watching it again at my own time. So not having Sony's movies is a bummer but I could care less.

I guess this is to take some spark away from Microsoft on the eve of NXE, but who cares. like steven787 said 80-90% is still cool.



FilaBrasileiro said:
eliasg said:
Xen said:
eliasg said:
imagine Microsoft not offering Windows to SONY VAIO , what is going to happen????

It's less "MS offers" than "Sony buys".

Anyway, Linux.

 

 

Dont get me wrong, but linux are still not so popular in the puplic. Programmers like my self are the people that use this operating system more often...

 

If Sony's revenue was as much as MS revenue for licensing Windows to VAIO, then I doubt Sony Pictures would take those movies out, besides, the last thing MS wants is for Sony (and Dell and HP/Compaq because you can bet your ass they would side with the Laptop manufacturer Sony and not Microsoft) to partner up with Apple OS or put Linux on their computers and yes there are very user friendly versions of Linux out there. If memory serves me right both Dell and HP talked about expanding their Linux installed computers which IMO would be great.

 

selnor said:

LOL. Sony's laptops wouldnt stand a chance in the mainstream computer world. The average computer user knows windows. I'm not talking the boffins who understand the benefits of each OS. But the computer casuals who surf the net. These peole and all of their friends have seen and only used Windows. That would be a big blow to Sony laptops.

Anyways M$ got into court for cornering the computer market to much. If Sony did pull this I could certainly see them in court. Because and I quote "Sony not allowing M$ to have streaming films is like Sony not allowing Sony Picture DVD's to run on a 360 DVD drive. They are just 2 different methods of viewing the movie. Both Legal adaptions."

Also if I'm right the 360 is more a medium for Netflix to expand to. And considering you need a netflix account, it's netflix that need the rights to stream the films. The fact that Netflix use the 360 as a viewer Sony can do F**K all about. Otherwise Netflix would have to stop the PC version streaming for these films to.

Either M$ is double checking the Legal issues, or they are general teething problems.

 


What Sony is doing, if it really is doing it, is not illegal, Sony does not have a monopoly in the movie industry. MS will not not allow Sony to license Windows, if one Window license is what? 150 bucks, then that's hundreds of millions of revenue in their pocket every year from Sony Vaio's computer alone.

 

And nowadays it is viable to sell computers with other OS installed in them, just look at Apple, I wish the industry would move forward and allow consumers to buy laptops either with no OS or with Linux installed, it would save us money because those companies pass those licensing fees onto us.

Why on earth would Dell or HP/Compaq side with Sony and not Microsoft? Sony cannot team up with Apple—nor can Dell, HP or Compaq— because Apple has proprietary hardware. That's why you can't go out and buy a new video card for your Mac, because hardware manufacturers cannot sell parts for Apple computers. And people will not buy a Linux-based laptop — that is absolute fantasy world stuff.

Sorry, but any computer hardware company who Microsoft refused to allow Windows to run on would be out of business in less than six months.

 

Also, no one is reading the article. Sony Pictures did not pull out their library — I watched Spiderman 3 on my xbox just this morning. Columbia Pictures has not yet been licensed for use on the Xbox 360 as a periperal, but they're in the process of doing so.

Here's the rest of the quote from the VP of Netflix:

"As watching instantly becomes a more prominent part of the Netflix service, our goal is to have all of our streaming content licensed for all of our partner devices. We're doing well in this area, but it will take some time before we fully achieve that goal. Today, titles regularly come in and out of license and there is a natural ebb and flow to what we have on license at any given point in time. In the case of Xbox 360, a few hundred titles are temporarily unavailable to be streamed via the Xbox game console. Those titles are still available to be watched on subscribers' computers and on TVs via other partner devices, and we hope they'll be licensed for Xbox 360 shortly."



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selnor said:
Xen said:
eliasg said:
imagine Microsoft not offering Windows to SONY VAIO , what is going to happen????

It's less "MS offers" than "Sony buys".

Anyway, Linux.

 

 

 LOL. Sony's laptops wouldnt stand a chance in the mainstream computer world. The average computer user knows windows. I'm not talking the boffins who understand the benefits of each OS. But the computer casuals who surf the net. These peole and all of their friends have seen and only used Windows. That would be a big blow to Sony laptops.

Anyways M$ got into court for cornering the computer market to much. If Sony did pull this I could certainly see them in court. Because and I quote "Sony not allowing M$ to have streaming films is like Sony not allowing Sony Picture DVD's to run on a 360 DVD drive. They are just 2 different methods of viewing the movie. Both Legal adaptions."

Also if I'm right the 360 is more a medium for Netflix to expand to. And considering you need a netflix account, it's netflix that need the rights to stream the films. The fact that Netflix use the 360 as a viewer Sony can do F**K all about. Otherwise Netflix would have to stop the PC version streaming for these films to.

Either M$ is double checking the Legal issues, or they are general teething problems.

 

Frankly it wouldnt. A laptop with the XMB is all thats needed. Why do we need to play games on a laptop anyways past minor games like solitaire for boredom? Isn't most laptops used for business or web browsing anyways? The XMB would be a way smoother OS for general media and software use. Use the web browser similar to the PS3's for web browsing. Get OpenOffice running or make their own word processor (not hard for Sony;s programmers).



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I would imagine the movies that are taken off of netflix are ones that M$ is trying to sell through live.  I mean it would totally piss off all of the movie deals they have up until this point if you can rent them free or pay for them through the service.

 

More than likely this is the case, and I would bet in the near future this will be taken care of internally by M$.



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TheRealMafoo said:
papflesje said:
How much of the movie industry does Sony own? 

 

Over half the movies ever made, are owned by Sony.

 

???



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