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Million on 09 August 2008
omgwtfbbq said:
Wow, so many people here can't grasp the basic fundamentals of economics. Now I'm no guru (hell, I'm an engineer), but this kind of stuff is common sense!

I'm sorry guys, but you can't blame a new and emerging market for killing off an old one. If the hardcore market dies it's not because the casual market appeared, it's because the hardcore consumer base simply isn't large enough to sustain the market. It's simple supply and demand. Just because another market is bigger and more profitable doesn't mean no one is going to cater to the smaller market, you will get exactly as many hardcore games as the hardcore userbase can sustain, and not any more or any less. Casual gaming won't effect the size of the hardcore consumer base and therefore won't effect the size of the hardcore market, all we'll see is a larger pool of money in gaming in general.

If your hardcore gaming dies you can't blame it on anyone but the hardcore gamers and the companies that cater towards them.

 

Please read the thread before running in like everyone for the last 5 pages doesn't know what they are talking about , keep your "basic fundamentals" of economics to yourself as there are many other factors which affect the gaming markets.




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Naum on 09 August 2008
RolStoppable said:
Gearbox said:
Why would any1 want nintedo to win, if they do they will become thye biggest childs company. They promote sterotypes!

A Japanese company makes their mascot a fat Italian sterotype, who gets sucked into his toilet into a fantasy world, where he has to save a princess and talks to SHROOMS! Then when u finally beat bowser there is a stupid shroom guy and says, "sorry mario the princess is in a different castle."

"A Fat Italian Midget Plumber," (very evil right there) who travels thru toilets to save princesses…

Super Mario Bros.. Doesn’t that mean that Mario is his last name? WHAT IS MARIOS FIRST NAME!

Mario. His full name is Mario Mario and his brother's name is Luigi Mario.

 

I was actually about to say that, read it long long time ago that their last name were Mario.

 

So Nintendo are destroying the gaming buisness.... says someone who is 17 years old.....



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FJ-Warez on 09 August 2008
Million said:
omgwtfbbq said:
Wow, so many people here can't grasp the basic fundamentals of economics. Now I'm no guru (hell, I'm an engineer), but this kind of stuff is common sense!

I'm sorry guys, but you can't blame a new and emerging market for killing off an old one. If the hardcore market dies it's not because the casual market appeared, it's because the hardcore consumer base simply isn't large enough to sustain the market. It's simple supply and demand. Just because another market is bigger and more profitable doesn't mean no one is going to cater to the smaller market, you will get exactly as many hardcore games as the hardcore userbase can sustain, and not any more or any less. Casual gaming won't effect the size of the hardcore consumer base and therefore won't effect the size of the hardcore market, all we'll see is a larger pool of money in gaming in general.

If your hardcore gaming dies you can't blame it on anyone but the hardcore gamers and the companies that cater towards them.

 

Please read the thread before running in like everyone for the last 5 pages doesn't know what they are talking about , keep your "basic fundamentals" of economics to yourself as there are many other factors which affect the gaming markets.

Like??? (I really want to know)

 



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Million on 09 August 2008
RolStoppable said:
Gearbox said:
Why would any1 want nintedo to win, if they do they will become thye biggest childs company. They promote sterotypes!

A Japanese company makes their mascot a fat Italian sterotype, who gets sucked into his toilet into a fantasy world, where he has to save a princess and talks to SHROOMS! Then when u finally beat bowser there is a stupid shroom guy and says, "sorry mario the princess is in a different castle."

"A Fat Italian Midget Plumber," (very evil right there) who travels thru toilets to save princesses…

Super Mario Bros.. Doesn’t that mean that Mario is his last name? WHAT IS MARIOS FIRST NAME!

Mario. His full name is Mario Mario and his brother's name is Luigi Mario.

Because of the common reference to Mario and his brother Luigi as the "Mario Brothers," certain non-game sources, such as comic books, The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!, the Super Mario Bros. film, as well as Nintendo of Europe's Mario Megasite, have suggested that the Mario Brother's full names are "Mario Mario," and "Luigi Mario". [3] Nintendo hasn't ever officially given Mario or Luigi a surname.

 

Wikipedia

 




HappySqurriel on 09 August 2008

Looking at the balance sheets of publishers, how many publishers would be profitable without the high profit sales of games on the Nintendo DS and Wii? Yeah, I'm really sad that we're not watching a lot of publishers file for bankrupcy protection every quarter ...



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Million on 09 August 2008
FJ-Warez said:
Million said:
omgwtfbbq said:
Wow, so many people here can't grasp the basic fundamentals of economics. Now I'm no guru (hell, I'm an engineer), but this kind of stuff is common sense!

I'm sorry guys, but you can't blame a new and emerging market for killing off an old one. If the hardcore market dies it's not because the casual market appeared, it's because the hardcore consumer base simply isn't large enough to sustain the market. It's simple supply and demand. Just because another market is bigger and more profitable doesn't mean no one is going to cater to the smaller market, you will get exactly as many hardcore games as the hardcore userbase can sustain, and not any more or any less. Casual gaming won't effect the size of the hardcore consumer base and therefore won't effect the size of the hardcore market, all we'll see is a larger pool of money in gaming in general.

If your hardcore gaming dies you can't blame it on anyone but the hardcore gamers and the companies that cater towards them.

 

Please read the thread before running in like everyone for the last 5 pages doesn't know what they are talking about , keep your "basic fundamentals" of economics to yourself as there are many other factors which affect the gaming markets.

Like??? (I really want to know)

 

-Limited Development resources

-Expensive HD games VS Cheap Casual Games

 

Well ok there aren't many other reasons but there are other reasons which can be attributed to casual gaming causing a decline in hardcore gaming , no one argued that casual gaming would kill hardcore gaming dead (well I know I didn't) I argue that casual gaming will affect the growth or possibly cause decline in hardcore gaming.

 




Shadowblind on 09 August 2008

I'm not sad they won. To me, if anyone deserves to win another gen its Nintendo.

Its HOW they won that annoys me.



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Renar on 09 August 2008
Million said:

I hear what people say about Nintendo defining this gen with the innovation and such but i'm just not feeling anything nintendo has to offer ( with the exception of SSBB and Zelda ) I love Nintendo but I don't care about Wii Fit , Wii Sports , Wii *Anything* , I hate games like Animal Crossing, Bloom Box , Carnival Games and i somewhat like the Wii-mote but not in the way that i think it should be the standard.

This thread isn't about the fact that I dislike the Wii it's about the fact that the thing i dislike the most is the most popular console availible, it kills me . I remember the good old days when the PS2 was king now i feel like a war veteran who no one cares about anymore i fought for you and coulda died yet you still don't acknowledge me :(

I'd rather the XBOX 360 was at 30 million, i wish the Wii was HD...oh well

the casual demographic is killing my gaming experience this gen with developer priority eventualy switching to the Wii where the hell will i get my hardcore gaming fix ? without profiability Sony will loose reasons to keep running their development reosurces at such high capacity. I'm blaming the Wii for the loss of Eight Days and >>GETAWAY<<<, you friggin killed getaway Wii

At the end of the day it means less games like God Of War and more games like ... Mario & Sonic at the olympics...in SD... with a motion sensing controler.....what have we become.

Maybe it would help to think of it this way, Million.

You may not get all the game titles you wanted to play.  But millions of new gamers are having fun that they wouldn't have had otherwise.  Thus, in a way, your 'sacrifice' in terms of sadness can be considered a type of payment for the new happiness that others are enjoying, making the world just a bit of a better place.  :)

Feel better now?



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FJ-Warez on 09 August 2008
Million said:
FJ-Warez said:
Million said:
omgwtfbbq said:
Wow, so many people here can't grasp the basic fundamentals of economics. Now I'm no guru (hell, I'm an engineer), but this kind of stuff is common sense!

I'm sorry guys, but you can't blame a new and emerging market for killing off an old one. If the hardcore market dies it's not because the casual market appeared, it's because the hardcore consumer base simply isn't large enough to sustain the market. It's simple supply and demand. Just because another market is bigger and more profitable doesn't mean no one is going to cater to the smaller market, you will get exactly as many hardcore games as the hardcore userbase can sustain, and not any more or any less. Casual gaming won't effect the size of the hardcore consumer base and therefore won't effect the size of the hardcore market, all we'll see is a larger pool of money in gaming in general.

If your hardcore gaming dies you can't blame it on anyone but the hardcore gamers and the companies that cater towards them.

 

Please read the thread before running in like everyone for the last 5 pages doesn't know what they are talking about , keep your "basic fundamentals" of economics to yourself as there are many other factors which affect the gaming markets.

Like??? (I really want to know)

 

-Limited Development resources

-Expensive HD games VS Cheap Casual Games

 

Well ok there aren't many other reasons but there are other reasons which can be attributed to casual gaming causing a decline in hardcore gaming , no one argued that casual gaming would kill hardcore gaming dead (well I know I didn't) I argue that casual gaming will affect the growth or possibly cause decline in hardcore gaming.

 

Do you realise that you proved his point???

Funny thing is how the Wii is helping to keep the flow of Hardcore games... how many cheap games are selling really good on the Wii and the mony is used to make more HD games...

He is basically right, the HD gaming population is not big enough to guarantee:

Exclusives...

High budget tittles...



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Bodhesatva on 09 August 2008

Hey guys, cut it out with the age jokes. I didn't ask his age to make fun of him.

 

But I do think there is one serious comment to make about that, and it isn't intended to poke fun; someone who is 17 would have been 4 when the original Playstation 1 was released. 4! While his first experience may not have been on that console, Million has basically never lived in a time when Sony wasn't the uncontested ruler of the gaming universe.

It's a bit different when you're coming from that frame of reference: it's not a jab at Million at all, it just makes things seem different. Like I was alive when 80s hair bands were considered cool, as in "girls throw themselves at them" cool. Now adays, seeing a guy in spandex, a younger person may know that technically, at one time, those bands were considered cool; but they don't really understand it. It's very different living something and hearing "at one time, this is what happened."

As someone who has seen Atari rise, fall, then Nintendo Rise, then Sega Rise and compete with them, then Sega fall, then Sony rise, then Nintendo rise again, none of this is new to me. The "Playstation" style of gaming -- which I think of as 1) Single Player 2) Cinematic and 3) Epic, is on the wane. This is not the first "style" of gaming to fall from mainstream appeal, and it won't be the last.

 



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