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Onyxmeth on 13 July 2008
TheRealMafoo said:
Onyxmeth said:

My point is, these all in one players like the 360 and PS3 aren't catching on. They sell to gamers and both sell well, but they're not hitting that mass market, and I think it's because people aren't looking for all in one players like these. It took the masses long enough just to learn how to press play on a VCR. Then they had to relearn this difficult step when DVD players became popular. You think they can navigate those Microsoft Blades or PS3 menus? Ha! I'd give them a cookie if they can find the on button.

 

 

I agree that these all in one boxes are not catching on. If you don't play games, you probably won't buy a PS3, and you definitely won't buy a 360.

My point is if they don't, that still puts Sony in the drivers seat for domination of living room appliances.

MS has nothing else to sell, other then a Media extender, and software on some DVR boxes. (oh yea, put DVR's on my list :p). Nintendo has nothing.

Nintendo is dominating the console market at the moment, but I am not sure that applies to what this post is about.

It does, but I didn't get to make that point yet. I think it's Nintendo because of how the Wii is catching on. It's being used by more than just the gamers in the family in many households. I always equate the living room as being the same as the family room, and in a family household, theres a greater chance a family will gather around for some Wii Sports or Mario Kart than say Gears of War or Resistance. Controlling the living room doesn't necessarily have to mean watching T.V. programs or movies. Nintendo is actively getting non-gamers into some form of rudimentary gaming, and it's working wonders thus far. Sony and Microsoft both try to tap into this market, with Sing Star, Buzz, Scene It and other choices, but overall only Rock Band has had any of that bringing the house together mechanics, with Sing Star also doing that I believe in Europe only.

Regarding Sony dominating living room appliances, you forget that they don't make furniture, and that's the one component that every living room has. So you could say that IKEA dominates the living room.

 



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reverie on 13 July 2008
TheRealMafoo said:
reverie said:

TheRealMafoo said:
Onyxmeth said:

They're losing, obviously, to Nintendo. Nintendo controls the living room.

 

Sorry, but between the three, there is no doubt that Sony controls the living room.

Who sells the most TV's?

Who sells the most DVD players?

Who sells the most surround sound systems?

Who sells the most High Definition movie players?

Who sells the most speakers?

Who sells the most Amplifiers?

WHo sells the most VCR's, or DAT players (some people still have those).

Who owns the rights to over half the movies ever made?

Forget the fact that Sony has sold more gaming systems then anyone else over the last 10 years, Sony owns your loving room.

Well then let's start with the fact that Nintendo has sold more gaming systems than Sony over the last ten years [1], and after that I'd like to ask you for your source for VCR and DAT player market share.

[1] Nintendo: GB 53m + GBA 81m + GC 22m + DS 75m + Wii 28m = 259m gaming systems. Sony: PS1 70m + PS2 120m + PSP 36m + PS3 14m = 240m gaming systems, 19m less than Nintendo. All according to VGchartz. For GB and PS1 I only took the shipments after March'98.

 

I see you had to throw handhelds into the mix. If you are going to do that, you mine as well throw anything that can be a gaming system. That would include Sony laptops and desktop computers. That would be far more then 19m. While it would be cheep to include Cell Phones (as many play games on them), I do think sony has sold one or two over the last 10 years ;).

I meant home consoles, and I think you knew that.

 

Um no, I just realized that your whole post was not well thought out and wanted to start at the bottom. Let me put it this way: There's obviously no way for you to prove that Sony is the worldwide market leader in all of these 9 categories of hardware you mentioned. They lead in some categories in some countries some of the time - but that's it.

A gaming system is a system made for games and bought for games. A phone is not a gaming system. Handhelds are even more focused on games than consoles, so why would you exclude handhelds except to push your own agenda? And you introduced that word, not me. By the way, I forgot to count some 17m N64. So the gap is 36m.



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Shanobi on 13 July 2008

Beja-Beja said:
PS2 and ps3 combined are in nearly 60 million living rooms in the US. Bravia is the best selling HD brand. Bluray is growing. Sony has sound systems, recorders, music albums, DVDs, and some of the nicest shows on television. Its pretty clear who dominates living rooms IMO LOL

 

 Well, if you're trying to say Sony controls the living room, Matsushita would probably like a word with you. Sony's dominance in the home entertainment market hasn't existed for a number of years, and has been dwindling each passing year. Were it not for their Bravia line of televisions, they'd be in a world of hurt.



 

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reverie on 13 July 2008
selnor said:
davidwes said:
I agree with most points onymeth, people seem to be rejecting the one box does all thing. But I don't think Nintendo is winning the living room war (although they are certainly winning the game console war)

I believe apple is winning. When you control the purchasing of content and the players for that content you are in a good spot. Itunes, Appletv, Ipod, and now Iphone. They are winning.
Apple winning the living room war? I dont think so. The 360 has more downloads every day for HD films and SD films than Apple I'd say. Also anyone I know who bought an Iphone got rid of it within a month. Apparantley the most dissapointing piece of kit they bought. ITunes and Ipod are stupidly priced and not compatible with everything. People are realizing straight MP3 is cheaper and more accessable. Put this together with the rumours M$ will have TV companies inbuild there next Xbox into HDTV's and M$ are really looking to take your living room.

 

Are you trying to troll?

iTunes is the biggest vendor of digital video, according to NPD. [1] Apple is selling about 1m TV shows per week and selling or renting about 350k movies per week, by their own records. Xbox 360 digital downloads are not even on the map. Microsoft hasn't published any statistics ever.

iPhones have an extremely high satisfaction rating, according to several studies. [2]

iPods support MP3 as well AAC which is the official MP3 successor, not owned by Apple and cheaper to license than MP3. There's also a range of 1000s of iPod accessories for any purpose one could imagine.

[1] http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/12/11/apple-tv-digital-disruption-at-work-itunes-takes-91-of-video-download-market/

[2] http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/04/01/iphone-scores-79-in-customer-satisfaction-survey-rim-trails-at-54/



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papflesje on 13 July 2008

@ reverie: very handy that you picked 5 systems for nintendo (gb, gba, gc, ds and wii) and only four for sony. Technically, that would make it Sony's win. Or was that a "glitch"?



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Gearbox on 13 July 2008
reverie said:

TheRealMafoo said:
Onyxmeth said:

They're losing, obviously, to Nintendo. Nintendo controls the living room.

 

Sorry, but between the three, there is no doubt that Sony controls the living room.

Who sells the most TV's?

Who sells the most DVD players?

Who sells the most surround sound systems?

Who sells the most High Definition movie players?

Who sells the most speakers?

Who sells the most Amplifiers?

WHo sells the most VCR's, or DAT players (some people still have those).

Who owns the rights to over half the movies ever made?

Forget the fact that Sony has sold more gaming systems then anyone else over the last 10 years, Sony owns your loving room.

Well then let's start with the fact that Nintendo has sold more gaming systems than Sony over the last ten years [1], and after that I'd like to ask you for your source for VCR and DAT player market share.

[1] Nintendo: GB 53m + GBA 81m + GC 22m + DS 75m + Wii 28m = 259m gaming systems. Sony: PS1 70m + PS2 120m + PSP 36m + PS3 14m = 240m gaming systems, 19m less than Nintendo. All according to VGchartz. For GB and PS1 I only took the shipments after March'98.

Holy cr#p buddy, do u even know what the line "controls the living room" means? For a compnay to control the living room they need to get into every aspect of it, such as the DVD player, the TV,  the speakers, the remotes, the EVERYTHING IN A LIVING ROOM. Also, people buy handhelds to play them outside or on the road not to sit in their living room, so its more like GC 22 m + wii 28 m VS PS1 70m + PS2 120 m + PS3 14 m

A company needs to be in more then just games to control a living room! Your logic has begun to p#ss me off!

 



Shanobi on 13 July 2008
TheRealMafoo said:
Onyxmeth said:

They're losing, obviously, to Nintendo. Nintendo controls the living room.

 

Sorry, but between the three, there is no doubt that Sony controls the living room.

Who sells the most TV's?

Who sells the most DVD players?

Who sells the most surround sound systems?

Who sells the most High Definition movie players?

Who sells the most speakers?

Who sells the most Amplifiers?

WHo sells the most VCR's, or DAT players (some people still have those).

Who owns the rights to over half the movies ever made?

Forget the fact that Sony has sold more gaming systems then anyone else over the last 10 years, Sony owns your loving room.

 

 Well, you're trying to compare the living room thing, between one company that produces all of those things, and two companies that don't.

 

If you want to get technical, Matsushita have eaten Sony alive on everything but game consoles, and Nintendo have roundly thrashed what was left of the once "great" Sony. And let's not forget, that for each of those "victories" Sony gained by being able to claim they were the number one selling game console maker, Nintendo was able to thrash them again, from third place, in profits.

Being first place doesn't always make you the winner.

 

 



 

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reverie on 13 July 2008
papflesje said:
@ reverie: very handy that you picked 5 systems for nintendo (gb, gba, gc, ds and wii) and only four for sony. Technically, that would make it Sony's win. Or was that a "glitch"?

 

I was replying to the statement "Sony has sold more gaming systems then anyone else over the last 10 years", so I lined up all the gaming systems Sony and Nintendo have been selling since early 1998. Sure, Sony did not have a handheld line before 2004. That's one of the reasons why they don't dominate the living room.



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Munkeh111 on 13 July 2008

They made it to make money, have they made money?



whatever on 13 July 2008
JaggedSac said:
ssj12 said:
Onyxmeth said:

They're losing, obviously, to Nintendo. Nintendo controls the living room. The masses aren't taking to this "one box does all" thing. They don't care. Most living rooms consist of a TV and a DVD and or VHS player. If a console is added, come the end of this generation, most will be Wii's. Microsoft isn't controlling a damn thing and neither is Sony. The 360 failed to control the living room the second HD DVD took a nose dive and Sony isn't going to get more than a foot in the door because Blu Ray's just not that big a deal yet. Many don't have HD TVs, and even many that do don't actually care about Blu Ray, or can't afford to buy in. I'm not even speaking on the PS3 itself, because that's understandable. The prices of Blu Ray movies are outrageous.

 

$4 - $8 more is expensive?

 

Also if you ever pay attention to my Blu-ray sales thread so far Sony has captured about 6 - 7% of overall sales in the top 20 each week and steals about 8+ million dollars of revenue from DVD sales in the US. For a format that is a bit over a year old it is growing faster then DVD did, and yes I did post a link to a graph in that thread that showed that in the UK Blu-ray is growing faster then DVD did. I'd expect that by the end of the year Sony will control around 10% of the worldwide hard disc based movie market.

 

Yes considering most of the dvd's I buy are around the $15 range.  That is an increase of %25 - %53.  Blu-Ray sales are growing faster than DVD sales, because the blu-rays are not as different from DVDs as VHSs were from DVDs.  People are more willing to change over.  I could also say that there are more people in the world as well.  Blu-ray will become bigger than DVD, but not until their player prices come way down.  PS3 is helping to drive the disc sales up(I know they do not include games).  An extra 13 million from a well known game console doesn't hurt(especially considering it is the cheapest blu-ray player out there, or at least it was for a while).

Why buy movies when you can just do Netflix or Blockbuster Total Access?  The nice thing is they don't charge anything extra for BR over regular DVDs.  The only movies I even consider buying are for my kids, as they'll likely watch it over and over again.  Otherwise, it doesn't make sense to buy.