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The one thing the two aforementioned games have in common is that they're released on a Sony platform. 'Nuff said.



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If this is a serious question then I will answer it with seriousness:

FF7 was my favorite game of all-time until I played MGS4...no lie.



shio said:
Leetgeek said:
Cougarman said:
Leetgeek said:
Cougarman said:
Leetgeek said:

 

So that's the advantage of PS3 that even most PC games can't touch. A ridiculious ammount of memory allowing developers a LOT of real estate to work with. MGS4 is the first game to take advatage of this... but it wont be the last.

 

err pc has almost limitles memory thanks to 1TB hard drives and superior ram

 

 

Ummmmm. The game is not gonna ship on a harddrive. And you can pretty much expect about 0 big budget games that are only avilable for download only

even if a game is in 10 dvd's on pc you just have to install it once, the pc also has blu ray btw

 

K you got me but your going off on  a tangent this is more about consoles and not infanitely  customizable PCs...

 

.......

 

 

A PC game can have 10 DVDs and still only need 1 to play the game (or none at all). Example? World of Warcraft, which has 4 DVDs containing a potential of 34GB (if they're dual-layered) AND doesn't even need a DVD to play the game. For comparison, MGS4's BD image has a total of 30GB

WoW has 4 CD's (newest versions have 5 CD's), not 4 DVD's. Those are compressed tightly though so WoW does require about 8 GB of HDD.

 



Leetgeek said:

They both show off the advantages of having a larger storage medium by bluring the line between cut scene and gameplay. How could they, the gameplay in FFVII looks nothing like the cut scenes. Also you can tell between cut scenes and actual gameplay.

I remeber when FF7 came out. At the time I was a raging Nintendo fanboy. I hated Square for thier betrayal of Nintendo and I said I didn't care about  about cut scenes (FMV). But after playing FF7 and all it's glory I knew in my heart that FF7 could never have been done on N64. Not in the masterful way it was done on Playstation. I knew then that being the owner of a console with a low storage medium can leave you feeling empty. I bought a PS3 because I never wanted to feel that way again. Dude, I get that feeling when I see bad stuff happen to good people, but hey if it floats your boat. Fine.

Fast forward to yesterday. I invited a friend over so he could see MGS4. He had just spent $3000 on a gaming PC and Crysis a month ago. Remembering some of the arguments I'd had here on VG charts, I asked him: "So does this look better then Crysis?", To which he replied "well a little but that's just the cut scene". Then as the actual game began Solid Snake stood motionless. I asked my friend why he wasn't moving. 

Lets see - 3x Radeon 4850 - 3 gigaflops of shader power. $600

Core 2 Quad - 9450 - 2.66ghz - $329

Some kind of expensive motherboard $299

4gb of expensive ram - $150

Other stuff - $500

Total - $1878

Btw if your friend can't tell the difference he should probably sell his computer because he won't benifit from it anyway. The above computer has 9x the GPU performance of a PS3. Whats your point? that your friend needs glasses? My point, both games attempt to be realistic, the art style - realism for the most part if you exclude all the funky Sci-fi things in both games. Since Crysis achieves realism better than MGS4 its obvious that it fulfuls its art style better.

The game had gone from cut scene into gameplay and he hadn't even noticed. Yawn, serious here. I have a friend with only one eye and 1/2 vision in that eye. He can tell the difference between a cut scene and gameplay in MGS4. Is your friend real or did you make him up to try and prove a point?

 

So that's the advantage of PS3 that even most PC games can't touch. A ridiculious ammount of memory allowing developers a LOT of real estate to work with. MGS4 is the first game to take advatage of this... but it wont be the last. You do realize that a decent PC has between 6* and 12* more realizable system ram than the PS3. 256mb vs - 1-3gb typically. You have it backwards. Also the PC can actually use heavy texturing. The PS3 cannot. Theres a thing called ram, it lacks a LOT of it. Besides since everything is installed, you can run as much space as you want off the HDD at a MUCH higher data streaming rate than the blu ray drive on the PS3. It even has much faster seek times as well.

Naysayers will mutter somthing along the lines of: "I don't mind having a game on multiple DVDs" Wasn't FFVII on like 7 disks? You didn't mind it then, should you go back and retroactively hate the PS1 and FFVII because of the evil multidisks?

To which I will say: "what will you do for the game comming out on multiple bluray disks?" I will wonder if I'd actually get to play any game in there, with all the FMV and stuff.

To which they will say: "I'm Lvl 70 in WoW". Btw do you have conversations with yourself like this much?

 

Good for you kid. As for me I'll be chillin' with Final Fantasy 13. So will I.

 

 

Ya, whatever.

 



Tease.

perpride said:

If this is a serious question then I will answer it with seriousness:

FF7 was my favorite game of all-time until I played MGS4...no lie.


It is worth noting that the above poster has only played two games. 


The real similarity is that both games are way overhyped.



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BTW, the OP is wrong, because the cut scenes were NOT the proof of the advantage of CDs over carts. It was cost. The cut scenes were stuff the developers threw in, but they could have worked some into the N64. It would have just cost too much money to sell those games in cart format (why the DS uses an inexpensive SD card variant instead of a cart).

Since DVD9 costs almost nothing, that game does not show that blu-ray is superior to DVD9, in the way CDs were superior to carts. Higher capacity was not the advantage. It was higher capacity combined with costing on a fraction of the other format.



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SeriousWB said:
CrashMan said:
They both have rabid fanbases that refuse to accept any criticism of the titles, regardless of its verocity?

 

I'm going to have to go with this lol.

 

Winner!



There is no such thing as a console war. This is the first step to game design.

I already know that FF13 is gonna be huge, maybe even the first 2 disc game for th ps3, with both disc being 50GB is also possible. I wonder how big white knight chronicles will be. And i hope the 360 version of re5 is on more than one disc... if it's not.... then i will endup thinking that we are gonna get another dmc4.....



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Dgc1808 said:
I already know that FF13 is gonna be huge, maybe even the first 2 disc game for th ps3, with both disc being 50GB is also possible. I wonder how big white knight chronicles will be. And i hope the 360 version of re5 is on more than one disc... if it's not.... then i will endup thinking that we are gonna get another dmc4.....

 

What the hail?

100gb for a game? 30 hours of FMV - Check!. Outrageous cost - Check!. I think if that was the case, i'd just wait for FFXIII on the tv, that way I wouldn't have to pay for it.

about DMC - Oh you mean, you're not happy that more people got to experience DMC4 and Capcom got to make loads more on the game so they can release more excellent titles in the future? Including more and better versions of DMC?



Tease.

Dgc1808 said:
I already know that FF13 is gonna be huge, maybe even the first 2 disc game for th ps3, with both disc being 50GB is also possible. I wonder how big white knight chronicles will be. And i hope the 360 version of re5 is on more than one disc... if it's not.... then i will endup thinking that we are gonna get another dmc4.....

 

This only means you know absolutely nothing.



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