I think the main thing is that the 3rd party developers are more interested in making stuff for the 360 and the PS3, even if the fanbase is bigger for the Wii (although I doubt that the Wii's fanbase will ever beat the 360 + PS3's). If a developer wants to make a cross-platform game, they are going to have to make something completely different for the Wii, compared to the 360/PS3, which means that they are going to be more likely to opt for a cross-platform PS3/360 game.

As time goes on, the gap between the 360/PS3 and Wii will widen, and many people will tire of the repetitive Wii games, or something along those lines. As the 3rd party support for the Wii will be weaker as they cannot get anything more out of the Wii, and the games are going no-where, their main support will be for the PS3 and also the 360 (here comes the arguement concerning power). Therefore, the battle between the 360 and PS3 comes down to the features of each, and primarily the first party games (of which Sony has the best in my humble opinion)

This is why people think that in the long run, the real battle is between the 360 and the PS3. (P.S. Sorry for probably confusing you, I got a little lost)

Munkeh said: I think the main thing is that the 3rd party developers are more interested in making stuff for the 360 and the PS3, even if the fanbase is bigger for the Wii (although I doubt that the Wii's fanbase will ever beat the 360 + PS3's). If a developer wants to make a cross-platform game, they are going to have to make something completely different for the Wii, compared to the 360/PS3, which means that they are going to be more likely to opt for a cross-platform PS3/360 game. As time goes on, the gap between the 360/PS3 and Wii will widen, and many people will tire of the repetitive Wii games, or something along those lines. As the 3rd party support for the Wii will be weaker as they cannot get anything more out of the Wii, and the games are going no-where, their main support will be for the PS3 and also the 360 (here comes the arguement concerning power). Therefore, the battle between the 360 and PS3 comes down to the features of each, and primarily the first party games (of which Sony has the best in my humble opinion) This is why people think that in the long run, the real battle is between the 360 and the PS3. (P.S. Sorry for probably confusing you, I got a little lost)

Hoping that people will become "tired" of Wii games and look forward to the same old FPS and sports games is not that smart to me. If anything, nintendo consoles normally have the wider variations of games, while the important games for PS3 and Xbox360 are normally FPS, RPG and racing (sport) games. I would expect such a remark from a nintendo supporter because all the xbox and ps3 have to offer now are FPS and racing games. At least Nintendo is expanding the market with crazy new games like Wii sports and Brain age.

I am not trying to be a smart ass here, just trying to understand the logic behind the whole concept of a console that has been outsold for (probably at these rates) 3 years coming back and winning the generation.  It might happen but it would probably be unprecedented.

 

Here is how I see it:

"Hey Billy, I have a ruler. Let's play 'I'll show you mine if you show me yours.' That way we'll find out who is the biggest!!"

Cognitive dissonace my friends, congintive dissonance...

Munkeh said: I think the main thing is that the 3rd party developers are more interested in making stuff for the 360 and the PS3, even if the fanbase is bigger for the Wii (although I doubt that the Wii's fanbase will ever beat the 360 + PS3's). If a developer wants to make a cross-platform game, they are going to have to make something completely different for the Wii, compared to the 360/PS3, which means that they are going to be more likely to opt for a cross-platform PS3/360 game. As time goes on, the gap between the 360/PS3 and Wii will widen, and many people will tire of the repetitive Wii games, or something along those lines. As the 3rd party support for the Wii will be weaker as they cannot get anything more out of the Wii, and the games are going no-where, their main support will be for the PS3 and also the 360 (here comes the arguement concerning power). Therefore, the battle between the 360 and PS3 comes down to the features of each, and primarily the first party games (of which Sony has the best in my humble opinion) This is why people think that in the long run, the real battle is between the 360 and the PS3. (P.S. Sorry for probably confusing you, I got a little lost)

Developers are only interested in the bottom line. They want to make a game for as little as possible and sell as many copies as they possibly can. The reason they didnt jump on the Wii initially is because they though it would fail. Most have now jumped on since the Wii has established itself.

If I were a business, I would develop exclusively for the Wii, DS, and PSP. Someone would have to force me to develop for the 360 or PS3 not because I dont like them but because they make no sense economically. They cost more to develop for and the PS3 install base is practically non-existant at this time. The 360 has a good install base but again it costs more to develop for unless I plan to make a game cross-platform with the PC which is why I might consider the 360 but it will come down to game genre.

Edit: Lastly, there is no reason whatsoever not to make hardcore games on the Wii except that no one has done so yet. There is a large portion of Hardcore gamers who understand that the best games have the best gameplay and graphics are largely irrelevent as long as they convey the game well. In other words, the Wii will force devs to make better gameplay rather than better graphics. Do not be surprised if the best games of the generation come out on the least powerful system as a result if it keeps selling the way it is.

marc said: Munkeh said: I think the main thing is that the 3rd party developers are more interested in making stuff for the 360 and the PS3, even if the fanbase is bigger for the Wii (although I doubt that the Wii's fanbase will ever beat the 360 + PS3's). If a developer wants to make a cross-platform game, they are going to have to make something completely different for the Wii, compared to the 360/PS3, which means that they are going to be more likely to opt for a cross-platform PS3/360 game. As time goes on, the gap between the 360/PS3 and Wii will widen, and many people will tire of the repetitive Wii games, or something along those lines. As the 3rd party support for the Wii will be weaker as they cannot get anything more out of the Wii, and the games are going no-where, their main support will be for the PS3 and also the 360 (here comes the arguement concerning power). Therefore, the battle between the 360 and PS3 comes down to the features of each, and primarily the first party games (of which Sony has the best in my humble opinion) This is why people think that in the long run, the real battle is between the 360 and the PS3. (P.S. Sorry for probably confusing you, I got a little lost) Developers are only interested in the bottom line. They want to make a game for as little as possible and sell as many copies as they possibly can. The reason they didnt jump on the Wii initially is because they though it would fail. Most have now jumped on since the Wii has established itself. If I were a business, I would develop exclusively for the Wii, DS, and PSP. Someone would have to force me to develop for the 360 or PS3 not because I dont like them but because they make no sense economically. They cost more to develop for and the PS3 install base is practically non-existant at this time. The 360 has a good install base but again it costs more to develop for unless I plan to make a game cross-platform with the PC which is why I might consider the 360 but it will come down to game genre.

 What I'm saying is that many publishers have two options, make a Wii game, or a PS3/360(/PC) game to balance out economically, and many will decide to go for the later, because they can get so much more out of it

hmmm interesting that could be true, have to think about it though.

Munkeh said: marc said: What I'm saying is that many publishers have two options, make a Wii game, or a PS3/360(/PC) game to balance out economically, and many will decide to go for the later, because they can get so much more out of it

How would you get more out of developing for either the 360 or PS3? Its not as if they have similar architectures. It takes a fairly significant investment to port a game from one to the other and it would cost the same to port the Wii anyway. Reducing texture & video quality to Wii standards is very easy to do so that is not the issue. By the same token, I could design a game for the Wii and simply create much higher quality textures and video so that I can port to other consoles if I wish to do so but again, this costs more money and time. I could just as easily make 2 games for the Wii for the same cost.

Edit: The only possible exception (again) is if I can make a 360/PC port which is actually much easier to do since MS gives the libraries with the dev kits.

sorry double post

Parokki said: vizunary said: Like my brother, he got a Wii to enjoy a different type of gameplay, while he's also still enjoying his PS2, but in time (read: when he can afford it) he will be getting a PS3.   Why would he suddenly go from the cheap low power console with useful features to the extremely expensive high powerhouse machine with features most people don't want? The PS3 isn't an "upgrade" or a logical continuation of the PS2, it's a totally different kind of machine that went in a totally different direction. That's why it's doing so bad.

So that he can play MGS4, FFXIII, GT5, GTAIV, Kingdom Hearts(presuming it comes to the PS3), Ratchet and Clank, SOCOM, Assassin's Creed, RE5, etc, etc, etc... He also wants to use those pointless features like playing HD blu-ray movies, streaming audio/video to his PSP, and he even likes LittleBigPlanet somewhat compulsively. Just that right now, there is NO WAY he could afford $600, that's two months rent to him and he's only 19 making $8.50 an hour, so it's not in his budget, but eventually the PS3 will be $300 and he'll get one.

I don't know why people keep trying to compare the Wii to the PS3 and 360. Sony and Microsoft have said that they don't view the Wii and direct competition and Nintendo has said that they're not going after the same market as Sony and Microsoft.

I personally think that Nintendo is going after everybody who doesn't want to get a HDTV while Sony and Microsoft are banking on people making the upgrade. I've tried the Wii on our HDTV and I can say that it looks like total crap when compared to a SDTV (yes, it was even displayed in a 4:3 aspect ratio too).