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FishyJoe on 16 June 2008

Indy Lego seems to be handily beating all other platforms including the PS2, so I wonder if the original author will acknowledge this fact.

Haha, yeah right. What am I thinking?



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damkira on 16 June 2008
DMeisterJ said:
damkira said:

My god, Legend11. Its as if Nintendo raped your mother and killed your dog... You go so far out of your way to post news items which make Nintendo look bad that its uncanny.

 


He does it with Sony too.


 I sometimes wonder if Legend11 works for Microsoft. It would explain how he always tries to downplay poor 360 sales and hw problems and always posts the most negative stories about Nintendo and Sony he can find. A PR guy for Microsoft would never get any respect on these forums.. but stealth pr...

 



amp316 on 16 June 2008

NPD works hand in hand with Game Informer. Game Informer is the most anti-Wii publication on the market. Their "compliments" are things like looks good for a Wii game. It gave NMH a 6 and Mario and Sonic a 4. That's all that I'm saying.



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Kasz216 on 16 June 2008
Smash_Brother said:
Kasz216 said:No i'm talking about the fixed costs of production. It costs more to make and buy blu-ray discs..... etc.

That's part of the reason for the extra $10 as well. Of course this is a bigger deal for the PS3. It's still something to take into consideration. Each platform has different fixed costs of production.

What i'm saying is that i believe none of that extra $10 actually makes it back to the developers and they make the same margin (or VERY close) per copy as they would a Wii game... to where even 5 million copies wouldn't make much difference.

That everything is getting eaten up by the publisher and others basically.

It's also producing HD content that runs up such a huge dev budget.

You have to consider that when every texture, lighting effect, etc. has to be designed at 2X the standard resolution, you have a situation where devs need to spend a great deal more time paying artists to create these textures and effects.

There's also the fact that the PS360 dev kits cost more.

Yeah but those costs aren't fixed.  What Bod was trying to say is that once you get past "cost" the extra copies help... at some point.

Assuming they get any of that extra revenue at 5 million.

So fixed costs are the only ones that matter in that case.  Costs that make profits on one console less then the other.  Like royalty per copy sold, blu-ray disc cost... etc.



Kenology on 17 June 2008
Legend11 said:

I'm working on a Wii bingo card for some future thread about a third-party games built from the ground up for the Wii that flopping. It'll have stuff like "Niche Game", "Not Enough Marketing", "Marketed Incorrectly", "Lower budget than HD game", "Game is no good", "Europe will save it", etc.

But some of those ("niche game", "not enough marketing", "marketed incorrectly", "game is no good") are legitimate reasons for any good game to underperform, not just Wii games.

I never heard anyone use "Europe will save it", and "lower budget than an HD game" is true in virtually all Wii releases relative to their HD counterparts.

Anyways, to use this new bingo board would be cherrypicking in and of itself, as 3rd party games built from the ground up on Wii that are quality titles with a decent marketing budget will actually sell well.

I hope you don't anticipate using this board much because you'll be disappointed otherwise. There won't be too many opportunies where it'll be relevant at all.  In fact, it's not even relevant now - it's applicable to absolutely no 3rd party Wii game on the market right now.



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ZenfoldorVGI on 17 June 2008
Legend11 said:

I'm working on a Wii bingo card for some future thread about a third-party games built from the ground up for the Wii that flopping. It'll have stuff like "Niche Game", "Not Enough Marketing", "Marketed Incorrectly", "Lower budget than HD game", "Game is no good", "Europe will save it", etc.


List all of those games, if you would. List all of the games built from the ground up for the Wii that sold lower than their expectations according to their publishers. How many games are on that list?

You stopped responding to my posts long ago.

Because if you didn't I would ruin your fun.

The Wii bingo list makes you angry because it marginalizes your Wii-hating talking points.

Therefore, your own version shall be great vengance.

You have no chance in a real argument with me. Avoidance is best. 



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