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thegamerpad on 19 December 2019
SpokenTruth said:
thegamerpad said:

1) I don't know if I'd go around claiming VOX or the Atlantic as some sort of unbiased sources.


You know what I found extremely concerning and interesting though, is that you created this thread and put a ton of detail and hard work into...you even included what the defense is (with a noticeable slant in your explanation) 2). but at NO point did you actually lay out the evidence.   How can you put all that time and work in it and not show the evidence? 

1). These are not editorials but documented accounts.  If they are directly quoting Trump saying something racist, the bias nature of the reporting agency is irrelevant.  Kind of makes me think you didn't click either of them.

2). Because that's not the point of the thread.  I was not making a case for or against impeachment.  I laid out the details of what impeachment is, why he's being impeached, how it works, a timeline and who the players involved are. I've made my case in the official US Politics thread many times.

But you have reminded me of a couple of updates I need to make.  Now that we are past the inquiry phase, the defense side has shifted more towards Trump and Zalenskky's statements.  I'll need to add them.

You bothered to lay out the defense

But you don't think the evidence should be laid out too (spoiler: there is none)



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thegamerpad on 19 December 2019
SpokenTruth said:
thegamerpad said:


Even the god awful CNN which we can all admit hates Donald Trump released a poll

45% support removing him from office

Opposition to removal is at 47%

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/16/politics/impeachment-poll-cnn/index.html



I hope you learned something (you're wrong)

Did you just use one poll to rebuke my aggregation of all polls including that very CNN poll? 

But, if you want to play that game...Fox News Poll.
Impeached and Removed - 50%
Not Impeached - 41%
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-trump-job-approval-ticks-up-views-on-impeachment-steady

You're now 0 - 2.  Do you really want to keep going?


So I guess we've concluded there are polls that say things both ways.

But it's still completely delusional and out of reality to think he would ever resign with that high approval rating.



thegamerpad on 19 December 2019
SpokenTruth said:
thegamerpad said:

You bothered to lay out the defense

But you don't think the evidence should be laid out too (spoiler: there is none)

I didn't give evidence for or against.  What part of this are you not understanding?

0 - 3.



You put the defense.    Evidence isn't on the defense, that's on the accuser.

You tried to spell out the defenses case (with a disingenuous bias) but you never laid out in any way what the evidence (none) was being submitted. 

Just another case of TDS


Can't wait to see your frustration posts after 2020 election when he gets re-elected



DirtyP2002 on 19 December 2019

I followed the Impeachment and the presidency of Trump as good as possible and I still don't get it. It is like Schiff said it: "In this presidency, you are shocked and not surprised at the same time".

It is absolutely true. He totally ignores the SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS on Climate Change and is actively destroying our planet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_consensus_on_climate_change#Consensus_points

He paid hush money to a porn star he had sex with while married.

On the one hand, he totally supports Putin and Russia. On the other hand he is sanctioning Russia for derlivering gas to Europe... Just because HE wants to be the one selling Gas to Europe.

He is actively fighting his own automotive industry for supporting e-mobility or developing cars that don't need as much fuel as they used to. Even attacking the state of California for making a law in that regard.

He is totally against the European Union as he sees it as a threat and not as a strong partnership.

He is ruining American farmers as he is not able to close a deal with China.

He literally said "I would like you to do as a favor though" to Ukraine and stopped military aid until they start an investigation on a political rival. And this country is at war with Russia. (The main impeachment - point here!)

He cancelled a meeting with Denmark, because they did not want to sell him Greenland.

He was responsible for the longest shutdown in the US history.

He absolutely lied about his wall and that Mexico is paying for it.

He called other countries shitholes and parts of his OWN country "disgusting, rat and rodent infested mess".

He totally failed to come up with something to improve healthcare in the US.

He just insults his political rivals instead of arguing with them.

He lost the popular vote by 3 million (!!!) and he still brags about it.

I still don't get why you can support him.

The whole world is laughing at the US right now and rightfully so. Somehow, his supporters try to create a "we against the world" image and some, mostly not well educated, people are buying it!

They call established news fake and start to belive in Breitbart, infowars or Alex Jones, who claimed chemicals in the water turned the frogs gay - which is utterly ridiculous.

They are so in denial, that FACTS are somehow a part of a discussion. "2+2 = 4" ... "I don't see it this way!"
Climate change is a PROVEN FACT. The popular vote is a FACT.

And I want to mention that I am mostly a conservative guy. But Trump and the current GOP has nothing to do with being conservative, it is just plain stupid.

The impeachment won't do anything, because the senat basically said we will not respect the oath - which is another reason the rest of the world is laughing at the US. These guys aren't even trying anymore.



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pokoko on 19 December 2019
thegamerpad said:



You put the defense.    Evidence isn't on the defense, that's on the accuser.

You tried to spell out the defenses case (with a disingenuous bias) but you never laid out in any way what the evidence (none) was being submitted. 

Just another case of TDS


Can't wait to see your frustration posts after 2020 election when he gets re-elected

You know, honestly, speaking as someone who is undecided about this whole thing, the childishness in your posts do your argument absolutely no favors.  That's not how you get people to take you seriously.



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deskpro2k3 on 19 December 2019

That one republican compared Trump to Jesus.. lmao

I didn't know Jesus grabbed pu$$ies.



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TruckOSaurus on 19 December 2019
padib said:

Actually I do mind to be honest because I feel silenced. Out of courtesy though I replied in the other thread.

Spoiler!
I put this in a spoiler tag given you don't want this in your thread, but it's still on topic: my point is that the impeachment shows how undemocratic the United States truly is right now. They (politicians and media) wanted him out since day one, now they found their reason, as unimportant as it is to US Citizens. Whether you agree with that or not, it's none of my business.

So extorting a foreign government to do the president's bidding is unimportant? What the hell is important then? 



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Leynos on 19 December 2019

I say, throw the bum out!



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LurkerJ on 19 December 2019
TruckOSaurus said:
padib said:

Actually I do mind to be honest because I feel silenced. Out of courtesy though I replied in the other thread.

Spoiler!
I put this in a spoiler tag given you don't want this in your thread, but it's still on topic: my point is that the impeachment shows how undemocratic the United States truly is right now. They (politicians and media) wanted him out since day one, now they found their reason, as unimportant as it is to US Citizens. Whether you agree with that or not, it's none of my business.

So extorting a foreign government to do the president's bidding is unimportant? What the hell is important then? 

I dunno, lying to wage an illegal war on Iraq? 

The bar of impeachment has been lowered so much that if Trump is impeached, every future president will be walking on very thin ice. 



TruckOSaurus on 19 December 2019
LurkerJ said:
TruckOSaurus said:

So extorting a foreign government to do the president's bidding is unimportant? What the hell is important then? 

I dunno, lying to wage an illegal war on Iraq? 

The bar of impeachment has been lowered so much that if Trump is impeached, every future president will be walking on very thin ice. 

First, Trump has been impeached, there's no if there. Second, they impeached Bill Clinton for lying about a blowjob so I wouldn't call extorting a foreign government for personal gain a low bar.



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