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Snoopy said:

Lowering taxes, record unemployment rate, started cracking down on illegal immigration and boosting our military capabilities. He seems like a great president to me. Probably the best we had since Regan.

He lowered taxes mainly for himself and his rich friends. Other people only get crumbles, anyway the money the money is now missing elsewhere, just lowering taxes is a nice way to get votes, but it drives US even faster towards ruin. Before Trumps election all signs for the US economy were good, now their are spiraling down.

Illegal immigration is no real problem for a nation as big as US, but stiring up fear of immigrants (or "strangers") is an old tactic to distract from real problems.



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The House Intelligence Committee has released their Impeachment Inquiry Report.

See the link below. It's 300 pages and in PDF format. I hope to read through it all over the next day or two but what I've read thus far, it's pretty damning for Giuliani.
https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20191203_-_full_report___hpsci_impeachment_inquiry_-_20191203.pdf



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

I am now 34 pages in and the implications are getting extraordinary. Perhaps one of the most incredible new pieces of information is the fact that the Ranking Member of the House Intelligence Committee Devin Nunes himself may be involved. He had phone calls with back in April with Giuliani and Parnas when Ambassador Yovanavitch was being recalled. And he also contacted conservative reporter John Solomon who wrote several smear campaign articles for The Hill about Ambassador Yovanavitch. It also shows he had trips to Europe to meet with former Ukraine prosecutor Viktor Shokin with the intent to obtain dirt on Joe Biden back in December of 2018.

Nunes was the primary defense in Congress for President Trump and yet it appears he was to some degree part of the overall plot. Or he got duped really bad. Either way this is fascinating.



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

I don't get it. Bill Clinton had an affair with a white house clerk and got impeached. (Seriously, on the scale of scandals, that's like a 1.2/10), but Trump has done ALL OF THIS and continues to put your country into the state it's in through treason, xenophobia, all the bigotries, and a clear hatred for any but the upper class...and it's taking us almost four years to get this close?

HOW?!

Frankly I'm amazed nobody's shot the moron, yet.



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Runa216 said:
I don't get it. Bill Clinton had an affair with a white house clerk and got impeached. (Seriously, on the scale of scandals, that's like a 1.2/10), but Trump has done ALL OF THIS and continues to put your country into the state it's in through treason, xenophobia, all the bigotries, and a clear hatred for any but the upper class...and it's taking us almost four years to get this close?

HOW?!

Frankly I'm amazed nobody's shot the moron, yet.

The Super Bowl halftime show with Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake was a bigger problem than anything Trump has done, be it individual goofs or all of it combined.



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Bandorr said:
The number one thing people need to understand and get right. Impeachment IS ONLY in the house.
Only the house is responsible for impeachment.

The senate handles removal after impeachment. They have nothing to do with the actual impeachment.

That means two things really. 1) Trump will be impeached. The house has the majority. They only started the hearings knowing they have the numbers - and things have only gone worse for Trump.

And 2) Trump won't be removed. That requires 2/3, or 67 people. That requires all democrats and TWENTY republicans. Blind vote (which won't happen) or not - it will never happen.

Oh and nice thread @SpokenTruth.

Actually never doubt that a blind vote could happen.  There is a small chance that good old Mitch could go that route and it would be very interesting how things could shake  up if it did happen.



RolStoppable said:
Runa216 said:
I don't get it. Bill Clinton had an affair with a white house clerk and got impeached. (Seriously, on the scale of scandals, that's like a 1.2/10), but Trump has done ALL OF THIS and continues to put your country into the state it's in through treason, xenophobia, all the bigotries, and a clear hatred for any but the upper class...and it's taking us almost four years to get this close?

HOW?!

Frankly I'm amazed nobody's shot the moron, yet.

The Super Bowl halftime show with Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake was a bigger problem than anything Trump has done, be it individual goofs or all of it combined.

So you believe a President using his Office for political gain isn't a big issue.



Machiavellian said:
RolStoppable said:

The Super Bowl halftime show with Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake was a bigger problem than anything Trump has done, be it individual goofs or all of it combined.

So you believe a President using his Office for political gain isn't a big issue.

Look at it as social commentary rather than his personal view.



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

John2290 said:
Silly Americans, you should be coming together yet you are tearing each other down. There are real threats to freedom in this world and Trump is not one of them or at least ranks very, very low on the list. He is the enemy of your enemy and you all should be backing him in crushing the dystopia that will soon be upon us all globally as it is now in Hong Kong. The west and it's ideals can still win but not if you all fall for this obvious trap set for you by corporate entities funded with middle eastern and far eastern money. We are all fucked until the masses realise that they are the new weapons in a digital cold war being waged in plain daylight. Wake up, you fools.

There can be no compromise among the social democrats if they only want democracy to go into one direction which is theirs ... 

If our generation wants less political freedom then they along with America and the rest of the free world can go eat shit. Trump going down means liberal democracies go down all together in the face of a rising eastern nationalist communist regime ...

If I wanted unity and censorship, I'd rather subscribe to the communists who will more often than not do those things better than the social democrats who are ideologically not too dissimilar from them ... 

If the social democrats want their stupid dream of an unproductive utopia then they should be prepared to pass on the new world order to the reinvigorated middle kingdom ... 



fatslob-:O said:
John2290 said:
Silly Americans, you should be coming together yet you are tearing each other down. There are real threats to freedom in this world and Trump is not one of them or at least ranks very, very low on the list. He is the enemy of your enemy and you all should be backing him in crushing the dystopia that will soon be upon us all globally as it is now in Hong Kong. The west and it's ideals can still win but not if you all fall for this obvious trap set for you by corporate entities funded with middle eastern and far eastern money. We are all fucked until the masses realise that they are the new weapons in a digital cold war being waged in plain daylight. Wake up, you fools.

There can be no compromise among the social democrats if they only want democracy to go into one direction which is theirs ... 

If our generation wants less political freedom then they along with America and the rest of the free world can go eat shit. Trump going down means liberal democracies go down all together in the face of a rising eastern nationalist communist regime ...

If I wanted unity and censorship, I'd rather subscribe to the communists who will more often than not do those things better than the social democrats who are ideologically not too dissimilar from them ... 

If the social democrats want their stupid dream of an unproductive utopia then they should be prepared to pass on the new world order to the reinvigorated middle kingdom ... 

Trump going down has more to do with him being the complete moron then anything else you or John can think up.  We are here today because of how incompetent this whole Ukraine situation was handled by Trump and his administration.  This whole narrative, of socialist this, liberal that is just another way to deflect from an obvious idiotic handling of another situation that continue to baffle me on why people consider this moron capable of anything more than screwing shit up as he has shone throughout his life.

Oh well keep looking for ways to move the blame to everyone else besides the one person who got us here.