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peachbuggy said:
If it wasn't for the debts, I could have seen Nintendo bailing them out and it would be their 1st acquisition for a while.

The thing is, 465m yen is like... less than 4m Euro this isn't a drop in the ocean compared to the Net worth of Nintendo which was $37b as of 2018, Nintendo could bail them out 925 times if they wanted to invest and acquire I'm sure the debtors could come to an agreement, anyone would rather get a % of what their owed rather than nothing.



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Cerebralbore101 said:
There was a serious drop in quality of their games over the years. Bowser's Inside Story was their best work, but then Dream Team and Paper Jam both dropped so hard in reviews. Dream Team was 81 in reviews, which is still a must buy game, but a hard drop off from the 90 that was BIS. Then Paper Jam came out and got 76 in reviews. I didn't even buy Paper Jam, because it looked like they were emphasizing the non-RPG aspects of it too much.

Mario RPGs have been all going downhill lately though. SMRPG hasn't had a sequel ever. Paper Mario series left its RPG roots ages ago. Sticker Star, and Color Splash hardly resemble the N64 and GC classics.

I picked up the Superstar Saga and BIS remakes though.

^ that.

Seriously SE + Nintendo should work together to do a SMRPG 2.
Also They need to throw Sticker Star + Color Splash formula into a trash can, and go back to TTYD style of Paper Mario.

Mario & luigi series was okay,... but amongst fans it wasnt ever as big as SMRPG or TTYD.

Nintendo should listen to what fans want, and give it to them :P
So TTYD 2,  and Mario Galaxy 3......

(this almost belongs to one of those "what would you do if you where president of Nintendo" threads)



I don’t know what to thing about this, their early Mario and Luigi games were really good, but quality started to go downhill, and nobody cared about their remakes, meanwhile Nintendo has kind of abandoned paper Mario, maybe the best they can do is combine botj ips and concentrate on making a great Mario rpg for the switch, as for the guy who suggested that Nintendo should work with SE I really don’t know if they are still capable of making great traditional turn based rpgs.



Ganoncrotch said:
peachbuggy said:
If it wasn't for the debts, I could have seen Nintendo bailing them out and it would be their 1st acquisition for a while.

The thing is, 465m yen is like... less than 4m Euro this isn't a drop in the ocean compared to the Net worth of Nintendo which was $37b as of 2018, Nintendo could bail them out 925 times if they wanted to invest and acquire I'm sure the debtors could come to an agreement, anyone would rather get a % of what their owed rather than nothing.

Bailing out is a tricky affair even if you easily can afford to bail an entity out the are factors you have to take note of for example how was this debt accumulated and why, are the chances of such debt arising again in future etc... This is one reason Rare were sold off as they kept consistently going over budget and weren't efficient adding costs that over time would have become notable, AD here seems to have done the same with their first attempt at a HD project. If anything Nintendo may rather just employ the workers and integrate them into their first party teams if they're interested that would be far cheaper than paying £4m this is why the debt is significant.



Saw this earlier, and it broke my heart.

Alphadream has been on a bad streak lately, with Dream Team and Paper Jam being mediocre to good games.But damn, Mario and Luigi were always consistenly great before them, and M&L was always better than Paper Mario.

Hopefully Nintendo buys them, or just passes the torch to a competent developer.



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Speaking of companies with financial trouble, whatever happened to Nippon Ichi Software? Last I heard they were in serious financial trouble back in May. Did they shut down?



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Never really liked this series. The humor was too forced for me. It tries so hard to be funny, but in the end it's just annoying.

I would like a Super Mario RPG remake or sequel instead.



I was shocked when I first read the news, I thought they were under Nintendo or something. Hopefully the people who worked there find new jobs as soon as possible.

The only Alphadream game I ever played was Bowser's Inside Story and I really enjoyed it, though I heard anything they released after that was not that good.

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RingoGaSuki said:
Dulfite said:
This is sad, but why on Earth did they focus so much on remaking games from ONE GENERATION AGO (mostly)? If they had made sequels rather than remakes, their sales would have been much higher. I still want more of these games, but I wasn't going to re-buy games I had beaten like 5 years ago on previous devices.

I think this was sadly probably a symptom of the debt disease that had infected them. The HD project they were working on (apparently for Switch and PS4) likely cost a lot more than they envisioned, and they thought the best way to raise cash cheaply was to push out remakes of their most successful games. If they'd come out in 2014 rather than 2018 I dare say it would have worked, but releasing on the 3DS post-Switch launch is suicide.

Exactly! Heck, they could have released the same graphics as 3ds on the Switch and it would have sold better. And one I'd get, but they remade what, three of them? At least two for sure. I just don't get it. They should have just released the original ones on the eShop for cheap and gotten pure profit from them while they worked on bigger money makers, rather than actually trying to remaster (slightly) DS and Gameboy Advanced games for a dead device. Whoever made that decision is responsible for their downfall.



RolStoppable said:
They weren't working for Nintendo when such a thing happens. What were they up to?

Working with Nintendo.