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COKTOE said:
Chazore said:

I stopped watching Dunkey, the moment he mocked criticism towards his videos and lack of in-depth talks. All he does now is toss in a few memes and think's he's funny shit 99% of the time,.

I don't know when he was supposed to be good, but about a year ago, I watched some of his vids. Found 2 of them kinda funny, with some good game footage, but grew tired of him quickly. His popularity confounds me.

A good amount of people actually use bots to boost their view counts on Youtube I'm guessing he is one of them. 



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Azzanation said:
Sarkar said:

Foot off the pedal? They never had it on the pedal. The initial success 360 enjoyed was all thanks to PS3 releasing a year late at a ridiculous price. If not for that 360 would've done just as badly as everything else MS has released in the consumer market. 

Xbox as an entire devision last gen was performing better than Playstation across the board.

Yes even on the 1st party games front Xbox was doing better. The 360 earnt its strips and it definitely didnt help that the PS3 fell over at launch. Similar to this gen with PS4 feeding off XB1 and WiiU's underperforming launches.

How so? Since PS3's launch it outsold 360 every year worldwide except in 2008. Their total software sales were pretty similar with a slight edge to 360 thanks to it being on the market for an extra year. 

As far as game output goes there's no comparison between the two. Sony completely dominated last generation.

You can have a look at the games they released last gen that were well received, here's a list as per metascores:

Microsoft:

Gears of War (94)

Halo 3 (94)

Gears of War 2 (93)

Forza 3 (94)

Gears of War 3 (91)

Halo Reach (91)

Forza 4 (91)

Forza 2 (90)

Fable 2 (89)

Project Gotham Racing 3 (88)

Halo 4 (87)

Dance Central 2 (86)

Dance Central 3 (86)

Project Gotham Racing 4 (85)

Forza Horizon (85)

Viva piñata (84)

Halo 3: ODST (83)

Alan Wake (83)

Crackdown (83)

Halo Wars (82)

Viva Piñata: Trouble in Paradise (82)

Dance Central (82)

Perfect Dark Zero (81)

Fable 3 (80)

Banjo Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts (79)

Kameo: Elements of Power (79)

Gears of War Judgement (79)

Blue Dragon (79)

Lost Odyssey (78)

State of Decay (78)

Alan Wake’s American Nightmare (76)

Sony:

Uncharted 2 (96)

The Last of Us (95)

LittleBigPlanet (95)

Uncharted 3 (92)

God of War III (92)

Journey (92)

MLB 10: The Show (91)

Killzone 2 (91)

LittleBigPlanet 2 (91)

MLB 09: The Show (90)

MLB 11: The Show (90)

Demon’s Souls (89)

R&C: Tool of Destruction (89)

Uncharted (88)

MLB 12: The Show (87)

Heavy Rain (87)

Flower (87)

Pixeljunk Shooter (87)

Resistance 2 (86)

R&C: A Crack in Time (87)

MLB 13: The Show (87)

Resistance (86)

inFAMOUS (85)

MLB 08: The Show (85)

Gran Turismo 5 (84)

Killzone 3 (84)

Motorstorm (84)

Warhawk (84)

Pixeljunk Monsters (83)

inFAMOUS (83)

Resistance (83)

Modnation Racers (82)

Singstar (82)

Motorstorm Pacific Rim (82)

Pixeljunk Shooter 2 (82)

Gran Turismo 6 (81)

Hot Shots Golf (81)

Echochrome (81)

God of War: Ascension

Gran Turismo 5 Prologue (80)

Buzz! Quiz TV (80)

Puppeteer (80)

Pixeljunk Eden (80)

Buzz! Quiz World (80)

Heavenly Sword (79)

The unfinished Swan (79)

Fat Princess (79)

SIREN: Blood Curse (78)

Crash Commando (78)

Starhawk (77)

Motorstorm Apocalypse (77)

The Last Guy (77)

Dead Nation (77)

MLB 07: The Show (77)

MAG (76)

R&C: Into the Nexus (76)

Twisted Metal (76)

Singstar Vol. 2 (76)

Pixeljunk Sidescroller (76)

R&C: Quest for Booty (76)

Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time (75)

Folklore (75)

An over 2:1 ratio, of course things are the worst they've ever been for MS this gen, but they were never particularly good.



Sarkar said:

How so? Since PS3's launch it outsold 360 every year worldwide except in 2008. Their total software sales were pretty similar with a slight edge to 360 thanks to it being on the market for an extra year. 

As far as game output goes there's no comparison between the two. Sony completely dominated last generation.

You can have a look at the games they released last gen that were well received, here's a list as per metascores:

Microsoft:

Sip

Sony:

Sip

An over 2:1 ratio, of course things are the worst they've ever been for MS this gen, but they were never particularly good.

Why did you turn this into a list war? When i said Xbox's 1st party line up were out preformer Playstations that doesnt mean its about the qauntity output of games.. 

The major hitting 1st party Xbox games were outselling the big hitting PS3 games. Halo 3 alone outsold 3 of Sonys big hitters at launch. Even Sony came out and admitted 4 out of 10 1st party PS games made profit while the rest didnt.

The fact is the 360 made more money than the PS3 regardless how many PS3's were sold world wide. Money determines how successful something is, not just sales. In this case the PS3 lost nearly twice as much as the 360 while also selling less software overall but scrapped past the 360 hardware sales by 2m which is nothing in this industry.

Also is this an alt account? Never seen you before.



Azzanation said:
Sarkar said:

How so? Since PS3's launch it outsold 360 every year worldwide except in 2008. Their total software sales were pretty similar with a slight edge to 360 thanks to it being on the market for an extra year. 

As far as game output goes there's no comparison between the two. Sony completely dominated last generation.

You can have a look at the games they released last gen that were well received, here's a list as per metascores:

Microsoft:

Sip

Sony:

Sip

An over 2:1 ratio, of course things are the worst they've ever been for MS this gen, but they were never particularly good.

Why did you turn this into a list war? When i said Xbox's 1st party line up were out preformer Playstations that doesnt mean its about the qauntity output of games.. 

The major hitting 1st party Xbox games were outselling the big hitting PS3 games. Halo 3 alone outsold 3 of Sonys big hitters at launch. Even Sony came out and admitted 4 out of 10 1st party PS games made profit while the rest didnt.

The fact is the 360 made more money than the PS3 regardless how many PS3's were sold world wide. Money determines how successful something is, not just sales. In this case the PS3 lost nearly twice as much as the 360 while also selling less software overall but scrapped past the 360 hardware sales by 2m which is nothing in this industry.

Also is this an alt account? Never seen you before.

Idk or care how much profits a company makes, I care about the games they make. Losing money to solidify your position is also a strategic decision.

MS is doing it now with Gamepass, they're losing a ton of money on it in hopes that it will make a return in the future.

Similarly Sony was losing money last gen funding a ton of games letting their studios experiment and grow and it's paying off now. This gen they have half a dozen 10+ million selling IPs and more to come, with most of them looking to hit 15+ million, and Spiderman & TLOU2 will likely be 20+ million sellers. For comparison MS has ever had 1 game break 10 million. 

The fact that the only time MS was remotely competitive with Sony was when Sony had their absolute lowest moment in playstation history says it all.



Sarkar said:
Azzanation said:

Why did you turn this into a list war? When i said Xbox's 1st party line up were out preformer Playstations that doesnt mean its about the qauntity output of games.. 

The major hitting 1st party Xbox games were outselling the big hitting PS3 games. Halo 3 alone outsold 3 of Sonys big hitters at launch. Even Sony came out and admitted 4 out of 10 1st party PS games made profit while the rest didnt.

The fact is the 360 made more money than the PS3 regardless how many PS3's were sold world wide. Money determines how successful something is, not just sales. In this case the PS3 lost nearly twice as much as the 360 while also selling less software overall but scrapped past the 360 hardware sales by 2m which is nothing in this industry.

Also is this an alt account? Never seen you before.

Idk or care how much profits a company makes, I care about the games they make. Losing money to solidify your position is also a strategic decision.

MS is doing it now with Gamepass, they're losing a ton of money on it in hopes that it will make a return in the future.

Similarly Sony was losing money last gen funding a ton of games letting their studios experiment and grow and it's paying off now. This gen they have half a dozen 10+ million selling IPs and more to come, with most of them looking to hit 15+ million, and Spiderman & TLOU2 will likely be 20+ million sellers. For comparison MS has ever had 1 game break 10 million. 

The fact that the only time MS was remotely competitive with Sony was when Sony had their absolute lowest moment in playstation history says it all.

A console brand that went from selling like 25 million units worldwide was able to more than triple its sales vs a company that followed up the best selling console ever. That doesn't happen by accident. The Xbox 360 did a lot of things right and it reflected in sales. Let's give credit where credit is due.



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gergroy said:
Video was just a list wars of a brief snapshot in time. Xbox has fallen from their peak, but every console maker has gone through dark periods of time. Sony and Nintendo have both experienced prolonged periods of time with they faltered as well. This has been a terrible generation for Xbox, that is definitely true, but I wouldn’t throw the towel in on them yet. They appear to building towards something great. They seem poised to come out swinging next gen and are probably the best positioned console maker to capitalize on the inevitable digital future in games.

It is quite shallow, isn't it? And i dont know of any youtube gaming channel that really goes indepth, beginning with the pre-xbox era and give a detailed run up until the here and now. 



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Sarkar said:
SammyGiireal said:

Indeed. Nintendo has never gotten a pass. Infact Super Mario 3D World while excellent was panned on forums ( it didn't really help the Wii U sell either but the Wii U had many issues) Nintendo actually has it rougher than most. People usually expect excellence from their Zelda and Mario main releases, if a Zelda is not a 10/10 game people start complaining about it. Nintendo never gets a pass if BotW and Mario Odyssey are top ten all time games it is because Nintendo always strives for excellence and innovation with in their own IPs. BotW is a prime example of this, with in its open world the game does things that no other open world game does.

I think that just highlights the problem, their games are criticized by gamers, but a mainline Mario/Zelda game will always be a 90+ rated game. The critics do go too easy on these two franchises and also Rockstar when throwing out those 10s.

And it's super obvious too, because these games regularly lose out the GOTY awards to lower rated titles when everyone starts voting for the best game of the year. Which just proves that even critics don't believe these games are as good as they rated them.

I think it was universally agreed that BotW was the game of the year. Have you ever played that game? I agree on RDR2 its Metacritic rating was too high, the critics were blinded by how masterfully crafted its world was, but I have found the game to be a tad boring on the single player side of things. But man Zelda and Mario deserved the all of the praise that they got.



SammyGiireal said:

I think it was universally agreed that BotW was the game of the year. Have you ever played that game? I agree on RDR2 its Metacritic rating was too high, the critics were blinded by how masterfully crafted its world was, but I have found the game to be a tad boring on the single player side of things. But man Zelda and Mario deserved the all of the praise that they got.

Not even close.



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Ka-pi96 said:
SammyGiireal said:

I think it was universally agreed that BotW was the game of the year. Have you ever played that game? I agree on RDR2 its Metacritic rating was too high, the critics were blinded by how masterfully crafted its world was, but I have found the game to be a tad boring on the single player side of things. But man Zelda and Mario deserved the all of the praise that they got.

Not even close.

On this forum if people think back to 2017....

on PS4 side:  Persona 5, Nioh, Nier: Automata, Horizon Zero Dawn,...
on Switch side:  Breath of the Wild, Mario Oddessey

Alot of people would say BoTW was the game of the year.



I haven’t watched the video yet, but my 1 minute analysis of Microsoft Xbox one is:
- focused too hard on set top box and Kinect advertising instead of games at the reveal
- after about 1.5 years on the market, began retreating back to pc
- now focused on cloud; next Xbox if it exists will be designed to serve cloud/game streaming, MS will focus on this battle 99%