This kinda pisses me off. I don't like Avengers beating Avatar (and I don't even like Avatar. It was just a decent film.) and I don't like PS4 beating whatever. I guess I'm just getting old and you all need to get off of my lawn.
| zorg1000 said: I still dont agree with the PS2 vs PS4 comparison since PS2 was only available in Japan for the first 8 months but regardless 100m in 68 months is extremely impressive. |
I've never quite understood this argument.
A staggered launch is a meaningless qualifier to use. And is only relevant if it can be shown that they had the stock to meet the demand of a global launch.
Another way to look at it is like this. Between March and September, 2000 sony shipped ~7M PS2 in Japan alone. In the first 6 weeks alone of the PS4 sony shipped(and sold) over 4.3M PS4s in everywhere but Japan.
So lets flip perspectives a bit... If sony had a global launch of the PS2, there is NOTHING indicating that they would have been able to make anything more than the 7M PS2s they shipped in the first 6 months of the PS2s life. At the end of the day, all that really matters is how much of a product a company can make and not where they are selling it or not.
Intrinsic said:
I've never quite understood this argument. A staggered launch is a meaningless qualifier to use. And is only relevant if it can be shown that they had the stock to meet the demand of a global launch. Another way to look at it is like this. Between March and September, 2000 sony shipped ~7M PS2 in Japan alone. In the first 6 weeks alone of the PS4 sony shipped(and sold) over 4.3M PS4s in everywhere but Japan. So lets flip perspectives a bit... If sony had a global launch of the PS2, there is NOTHING indicating that they would have been able to make anything more than the 7M PS2s they shipped in the first 6 months of the PS2s life. At the end of the day, all that really matters is how much of a product a company can make and not where they are selling it or not. |
Obviously a company is going to plan production differently when they launch in just 1 country vs launching in 50+ countries.
Global (or semi-global) launches did not become common until the 7th gen and that needs to be factored in when comparing launch aligned sales, it just doesnt make sense to compare the sales of 1 country to 50+ countries.
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zorg1000 said:
Obviously a company is going to plan production differently when they launch in just 1 country vs launching in 50+ countries. Global (or semi-global) launches did not become common until the 7th gen and that needs to be factored in when comparing launch aligned sales, it just doesnt make sense to compare the sales of 1 country to 50+ countries. |
Yes. And you wouldn't phantom the possibility that after verifying the price, content and production capability they saw it wouldn't be possible to launch WW from day one? So the 7M (which had shortages) were as most as they could produce, in a time that sales didn't even start as strong and there were no pre-orders?
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zorg1000 said:
Obviously a company is going to plan production differently when they launch in just 1 country vs launching in 50+ countries. Global (or semi-global) launches did not become common until the 7th gen and that needs to be factored in when comparing launch aligned sales, it just doesnt make sense to compare the sales of 1 country to 50+ countries. |
You are still ignoring the main point and basing all you ae saying on ifs and maybes.
Back in 2000 PS2s were "made in japan" and no one simply had the manufacturing might that companies like Foxconn (sp?) has brought to the market. It makes zero sense launching globally if you lack the means to make enough consoles. You simply DO NOT know if sony would have been able to make more than those 7M consoles they made in the first 6 months being that even when they released everywhere else they were still stock limited. I mean they had only like 300k consoles for the japan launch back in March 2000.
What we know is that back with the PS2 sony managed to make and ship ~7M consoles in 6 months. With the PS4 in 2013/2014, they were able to exceed those kinda numbers in 2 months. Different times. It's not like if sony could have made enough to manage a simultaneous launch they wouldn't have... they just couldn't.
I don't believe this, what do you really think is more important? Being able to make and sell 4M consoles in 6 weeks? Or where you sell those 4M consoles in?
You are here saying obviously company will plan this or that, so what does that mean? Sony planned to not meet their maximum market potential with the PS2 and release in only one region first? lol....
DonFerrari said:
Yes. And you wouldn't phantom the possibility that after verifying the price, content and production capability they saw it wouldn't be possible to launch WW from day one? So the 7M (which had shortages) were as most as they could produce, in a time that sales didn't even start as strong and there were no pre-orders? |
This is at least the 5th time you have completely misunderstood this basic concept, companies plan differently when deciding to do global or staggered launches so if Sony wanted a global launch for PS2 than they would have either began mass production earlier or launched later.
When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.
This is great and well deserved, but where's my 100 million edition model PS? The one you should use to justify the $299 price tag while you officially reduce the standard model by $50 to $100.
Maybe they're skipping this celebratory model for the outsold PS1 edition coming soon?
Intrinsic said:
You are still ignoring the main point and basing all you ae saying on ifs and maybes. Back in 2000 PS2s were "made in japan" and no one simply had the manufacturing might that companies like Foxconn (sp?) has brought to the market. It makes zero sense launching globally if you lack the means to make enough consoles. You simply DO NOT know if sony would have been able to make more than those 7M consoles they made in the first 6 months being that even when they released everywhere else they were still stock limited. I mean they had only like 300k consoles for the japan launch back in March 2000. What we know is that back with the PS2 sony managed to make and ship ~7M consoles in 6 months. With the PS4 in 2013/2014, they were able to exceed those kinda numbers in 2 months. Different times. It's not like if sony could have made enough to manage a simultaneous launch they wouldn't have... they just couldn't. I don't believe this, what do you really think is more important? Being able to make and sell 4M consoles in 6 weeks? Or where you sell those 4M consoles in? You are here saying obviously company will plan this or that, so what does that mean? Sony planned to not meet their maximum market potential with the PS2 and release in only one region first? lol.... |
I dont want to derail this thread much further especially since we have had this exact same argument before but in the 80s-early 00s staggered launches over the course of 1-2 years were common and starting in the 7th gen global or semi-global launches have become the norm, all I'm saying is that this change is something that needs to be considered when making launch aligned comparisons.
Like you said, different times so why does it make sense to compare it as if nothing has changed in the last 20 years.
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zorg1000 said:
I dont want to derail this thread much further especially since we have had this exact same argument before but in the 80s-early 00s staggered launches over the course of 1-2 years were common and starting in the 7th gen global or semi-global launches have become the norm, all I'm saying is that this change is something that needs to be considered when making launch aligned comparisons. Like you said, different times so why does it make sense to compare it as if nothing has changed in the last 20 years. |
And I am saying when comparing launched from different times... you compare whatever detail they both share in common. And in this case that is the amount f units shipped. Plans change, times change... those are all subjective. What we can measure however is manufacturing capacity.
Intrinsic said:
And I am saying when comparing launched from different times... you compare whatever detail they both share in common. And in this case that is the amount f units shipped. Plans change, times change... those are all subjective. What we can measure however is manufacturing capacity. |
So the manufacturing capacity nearly quadrupled in a single year?
https://web.archive.org/web/20120609161654/http://scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps2_e.html
Jan-Sept 00, 3.52m
Jan-Sept 01, 13.17m
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