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Parts vs episodes is a semantic argument. Regardless a game that was 40 hours in a single offering is being split into multiple 40 hour offerings. That concerns me.

Resident Evil 2 and Wind Waker are remakes done properly.  Time will tell on VII.



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The Fury said:
Barkley said:

It is a full game. Describing it as "Episodic" was/is a mistake. It's a multi-game series. Mass Effect isn't episodic, and neither is this.

ME was released as 1 game, due to it's success it's spawned 2 sequels. If it sold poorly and was not well received it wouldn't have had those 2 sequels. FF7 is already out, we know the story and we've played the game. This is that story in 3 parts. Sadly, no matter how many people try and spin it, it's episodic.

At least you used a good example mind you, people using FF13 as an example just make me laugh, can you imagine if FF7R part 2 sold 50% of Part 1? It would be considered an utter disaster.

"Episodic" while not necessarily wrong by definition associates it with the more commonly referred to "Episodic" games, Walking Dead, Resident Evil Revelations 2, Life is Strange. Comparing FFVII Remake to being just an "Episode" when it is completely incomparable to these "Episodes" could be misleading. Typically each episode of an episodic game is around 2 hours long. FFVII Remake will be longer than an entire season of your usual episodic game.

I think the connotations people take from calling the game episodic is the issue. Star Wars is episodic, is it any lesser because of it? If Square had said it was going to be a trilogy, rather than it was going to be "episodic" I think the reaction wouldn't have been the same as it is.



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deskpro2k3 said:
The Fury said:

ME was released as 1 game, due to it's success it's spawned 2 sequels. If it sold poorly and was not well received it wouldn't have had those 2 sequels. FF7 is already out, we know the story and we've played the game. This is that story in 3 parts. Sadly, no matter how many people try and spin it, it's episodic.

At least you used a good example mind you, people using FF13 as an example just make me laugh, can you imagine if FF7R part 2 sold 50% of Part 1? It would be considered an utter disaster.

You don't seem to understand the difference between "episodic" and "parts"

Is the matrix trilogy episodic to you as well? How about the Avengers movies?

Episodic/Parts are the same thing here, it's still taking a game that was 1 game and splitting it up. Hobbit was 1 book split into 3 films (parts/episodes) for the cinema. Matrix was 1 film with 2 sequels because of the firsts success. Avengers are stand alone films in an on going 'saga', more series I'd say there, tied in with spinoffs. :P 

Do people call Toy Story films one story? It's 4 movies each individual stories with conclusions just with the same characters. Now if they remade the first Toy Story but instead of 1 film it was 3 drawn out ones, then maybe we would be on to something.



Hmm, pie.

Barkley said:

"Episodic" while not necessarily wrong by definition associates it with the more commonly referred to "Episodic" games, Walking Dead, Resident Evil Revelations 2, Life is Strange. Comparing FFVII Remake to being just an "Episode" when it is completely incomparable to these "Episodes" could be misleading. Typically each episode of an episodic game is around 2 hours long. FFVII Remake will be longer than an entire season of your usual episodic game.

I think the connotations people take from calling the game episodic is the issue. Star Wars is episodic, is it any lesser because of it? If Square had said it was going to be a trilogy, rather than it was going to be "episodic" I think the reaction wouldn't have been the same as it is.

I think I and many others use episodic because that was the term news media used at the start. Parts is the better correct term but that doesn't mean it's any real different as it is still taking a single game and splitting it into parts (or episodes as we know the story). This isn't like other trilogies where it's one game which through success spawns 2 sequels of varying success, it was 1 game 23 years ago which now is being divided up for (what many fans feel) is cash.

Episodic games are usually 1 story over many parts to form a complete game. This is the same, 1 story over many parts to form a complete game. Do people think the gameplay will change like it did with ME series or Dragon Age or even FF13 and it's 2 sequels? Not really the same game if it does.



Hmm, pie.

The Fury said:

  • Episodic/Parts are the same thing here, it's still taking a game that was 1 game and splitting it up.
  • This isn't like other trilogies where it's one game which through success spawns 2 sequels of varying success
  • Episodic games are usually 1 story over many parts to form a complete game. This is the same, 1 story over many parts to form a complete game.

Think of God of War. Its story has been going on for 13 years.

  • FF7 was one game with many things the development team didn't get to include in the original product. What we found out 20 years later is the original was the bare-bones minimal. There is eight sectors in Midgar, and we barely went through one slum, and one sector.
  • It was successful enough to spawn a movie, anime, 2 prequel games, and a sequel Dirge of Cerberus.
  • This isn't the same though, if it was.. Part one of the Remake would be a very short game. They said it won't be a 1 to 1 copy.

I think Square Enix do have to explain it better, good thing they have like 9 months to release more info before it release. 

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deskpro2k3 said:
The Fury said:

  • Episodic/Parts are the same thing here, it's still taking a game that was 1 game and splitting it up.
  • This isn't like other trilogies where it's one game which through success spawns 2 sequels of varying success
  • Episodic games are usually 1 story over many parts to form a complete game. This is the same, 1 story over many parts to form a complete game.

Think of God of War. Its story has been going on for 13 years and it is not even finished yet.

  • FF7 was one game with many things the development team didn't get to include in the original product. What we found out 20 years later is the original was the bare-bones minimal. There is eight sectors in Midgar, and we barely went through one slum, and one sector.
  • It was successful enough to spawn a movie, anime, 2 prequel games, and a sequel Dirge of Cerberus.
  • This isn't the same though, if it was.. Part one of the Remake would be a very short game. They said it won't be a 1 to 1 copy.

I think Square Enix do have to explain it better, good thing they have like 9 months to release more info before it release. 

Again, FFVIIR won't have the full story of FFVII on ps1, right?



HoangNhatAnh said:
deskpro2k3 said:

Think of God of War. Its story has been going on for 13 years and it is not even finished yet.

  • FF7 was one game with many things the development team didn't get to include in the original product. What we found out 20 years later is the original was the bare-bones minimal. There is eight sectors in Midgar, and we barely went through one slum, and one sector.
  • It was successful enough to spawn a movie, anime, 2 prequel games, and a sequel Dirge of Cerberus.
  • This isn't the same though, if it was.. Part one of the Remake would be a very short game. They said it won't be a 1 to 1 copy.

I think Square Enix do have to explain it better, good thing they have like 9 months to release more info before it release. 

Again, FFVIIR won't have the full story of FFVII on ps1, right?

At this point I consider FFVII on PS1 to be a rough draft.



deskpro2k3 said:
The Fury said:

  • Episodic/Parts are the same thing here, it's still taking a game that was 1 game and splitting it up.
  • This isn't like other trilogies where it's one game which through success spawns 2 sequels of varying success
  • Episodic games are usually 1 story over many parts to form a complete game. This is the same, 1 story over many parts to form a complete game.

Think of God of War. Its story has been going on for 13 years.

  • FF7 was one game with many things the development team didn't get to include in the original product. What we found out 20 years later is the original was the bare-bones minimal. There is eight sectors in Midgar, and we barely went through one slum, and one sector.
  • It was successful enough to spawn a movie, anime, 2 prequel games, and a sequel Dirge of Cerberus.
  • This isn't the same though, if it was.. Part one of the Remake would be a very short game. They said it won't be a 1 to 1 copy.

I think Square Enix do have to explain it better, good thing they have like 9 months to release more info before it release. 

Everybody understands that.  The concern is over how much content is being added and how well it will integrate.  As an example 40 hours of play just in Midgar, that has me curious if not concerned.  Midgar was dark and dirty, intentionally of course, I don't know how they will keep it interesting for 40 hours.  And just how much story has to be added?  How many cut scenes?  Look, the game could turn out amazing, but there are a series of questions players have.  One of my biggest questions, do my character stats transfer to episode II, III, IV, etc.?  Or do I start over each time?  What happens if the later episodes are on the ps5 while the earlier ones are on the ps4?  I like FFVII, one of my all time favorite titles, I've beaten it at least 10 times.  I just don't get how they are going to take a 40 hour game and turn it into 200 hours.  I just don't.  The universe isn't that big, unless they really re-write a bunch of stuff...    

Look at it another way, let us say your favorite movie was getting remade.  And the remake took the length of the movie and made it 400% longer..  wouldn't you have so many questions?  

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Also, just my opinion, but the movie was ****ing awful and so was Dirge of Cerberus.  

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deskpro2k3 said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

Again, FFVIIR won't have the full story of FFVII on ps1, right?

At this point I consider FFVII on PS1 to be a rough draft.

So FFVII was a poor incomplete product with unfinished story you mean? So it was a scam, a cash grab, damn Square



HoangNhatAnh said:
deskpro2k3 said:

At this point I consider FFVII on PS1 to be a rough draft.

So FFVII was a poor incomplete product with unfinished story you mean? So it was a scam, a cash grab, damn Square

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