As someone who pretty much buys everything physical (and only buys digital when the price is heavily discounted), the thought of not being able to access my games because of a fee is terrifying. 10$ per month is still too much.

Also, "pay the monthly again, regain access again" sounds too much like a mafia boss offering "protection" to someone. "Just pay us and you'll have your stuff back! Aren't we nice?" XD

Nope. The only thing I suscribed to is the fucking Nintendo online fee, and I felt like shit when I did.

Price doesn't seem bad, it will depend on how much the game cost

In none of these services you have to pay twice, first to have the content and second to access it.

The 1080p version will be free. So after the first year your stuff won't be held at ransom. Just your 4K/60 FPS graphics. 

But yeah, I hate Stadia. It's just another form of digital-only DRM. Unless they suddenly get nearly a thousand games, I don't see the service taking off. 

Youtube have 4k60fps for free, Netflix have a more expensive version that have 4k and also 4 simultaneous login.

People have been  buying HW since forever and mine are still good to use a decade after purchase, so it end up being less expensive, don't need internet subs, don't have any lag and I can use without internet.

I don't pay for MP, I don't play MP. PS+ I have been paying for a extra layer of save data backup, plenty of free great games and aggressive discounts on some older games. So nearly not the same thing.

If you want to fork your money to google and is so happy to defend them all the power to you. I very much preffer my Hardcopy collection.

Like people really understand the difference and won't complain about paying for the subs but also having to pay for the game right?

I'm not the standard gamer, You assumed I would subs to PS+ because of MP and now you try to shove the cloud saving on the argument as if I would pay 120 USD for it (well I pay 25 for PS+ anyway).

I was replying to the points made between you and the other guy, so I didn't saw they offering 2 big games per month for free on the sub.

PS+ give another good bit of discount above the regular discount. And yes google could go Nintendo way and not give discounts at all, we can't be sure before hand.

Still I won't pay more money to have lesser performance.

Without games? Yes! With Netflix you get access to all the movies for a similar price. On Stadia, you'll have to "buy" them first before you can play them. Sure, you get a free game per month, but at that rate, it's not really worth it. That's worse than Nintendo Switch Online! Which is actually quite a feat.

Add to that that you need really fast internet and a stable connection to just keep up with current gen, not even mentioning next gen, that you can't get above 60fps or tweak graphics (No-go for many PC gamers). Like I explained in the other post, you will need fiber for 4k gaming on stadia, HVEC and AV1 both want a minimum of 40 Mbit and 160 Mbit optimum for 4k, while AV9 wants a mean 120 Mbit. In other words, that's at least 50$/month for the internet connection, and may god help you if you're on a metered connection...

Besides, who knows how long Stadia will actually live. I mean, have you seen Google's graveyard already?

https://killedbygoogle.com/

With such a track record, there's no guarantee that your purchase will last if Stadia ain't a huge success.

A company that really follows fail hard, fail fast concept, and that don't put money once the project won't accelerate;

1. I know it costs more. Doesn't change anything to the fact that it's not a good deal. In fact, it's not a good deal precisely because that costs more.

2. I showed HVEC, VP9 and AV1 so everyone could compare and see, that they are at similar needs. Also, even Youtube with their crappy compression asks over double that for 4k60fps to have a stable connection. With 40Mbps you can reach 4k, but with a very crappy compression, because that's what the main is. The high is for a lossless compression, where you get high-end desktop/next gen console graphics. The "main" 4k looks mostly like high settings in 1080p on PC if set side by side.

I know copper can reach over 100mbps - but only at very short distances. at over 200M, you drop below 80mbps because copper gives too much resistance for such a high signal over long distances. So unless you live close to the distribution boxes, you just can't reach those speeds on copper.

3. Wouldn't matter, as the games you buy at Microsoft/Nintendo/Sony/PC are yours and stay yours even if the shop gets killed. If stadia gets disconnected? You loose everything. That's the problem with stadia and Google's track record at killing their own stuff when they're not overly profitable.