Founders edition stadia 130,-

[Bofferbrauer2]

SpokenTruth said:

Bofferbrauer2 said:

1). Without games? Yes! With Netflix you get access to all the movies for a similar price. On Stadia, you'll have to "buy" them first before you can play them. Sure, you get a free game per month, but at that rate, it's not really worth it. That's worse than Nintendo Switch Online! Which is actually quite a feat.

Add to that that you need really fast internet and a stable connection to just keep up with current gen, not even mentioning next gen, that you can't get above 60fps or tweak graphics (No-go for many PC gamers). 2). Like I explained in the other post, you will need fiber for 4k gaming on stadia, HVEC and AV1 both want a minimum of 40 Mbit and 160 Mbit optimum for 4k, while AV9 wants a mean 120 Mbit. In other words, that's at least 50$/month for the internet connection, and may god help you if you're on a metered connection...

3). Besides, who knows how long Stadia will actually live. I mean, have you seen Google's graveyard already?

https://killedbygoogle.com/

With such a track record, there's no guarantee that your purchase will last if Stadia ain't a huge success.

1). And like I keep trying to tell you guys that rendering a game and streaming a video file are not in the same league together.  You can't equate the cost of operations those operations and therefore the cost of service.

2). You need just north 35 Mbps for 4K.  I highly doubt they'd use HVEC at all.  Why would they?  HVEC requires stiff royalties and Google has more efficient video coding formats anyway of which you listed both....VP9 and AV1.  And 120 Mbps for VP9 5.1 4096×2176@60 is not the mean but the max. And AV1 5.1 4096×2176@60 is also just 40 Mbps main. 

And even the speeds you listed don't require fiber.  You can get copper well over 300 Mbps.  I do.  DOCSIS 3.1 is rated for 10 Gbps. Hell, even DSL is reaching 100 Mbps now.

3). Don't do that.  You can pull up a electronics/services graveyard for every big corporation.  Do you really want to see Sony's list?

1. I know it costs more. Doesn't change anything to the fact that it's not a good deal. In fact, it's not a good deal precisely because that costs more.

2. I showed HVEC, VP9 and AV1 so everyone could compare and see, that they are at similar needs. Also, even Youtube with their crappy compression asks over double that for 4k60fps to have a stable connection. With 40Mbps you can reach 4k, but with a very crappy compression, because that's what the main is. The high is for a lossless compression, where you get high-end desktop/next gen console graphics. The "main" 4k looks mostly like high settings in 1080p on PC if set side by side.

I know copper can reach over 100mbps - but only at very short distances. at over 200M, you drop below 80mbps because copper gives too much resistance for such a high signal over long distances. So unless you live close to the distribution boxes, you just can't reach those speeds on copper.

3. Wouldn't matter, as the games you buy at Microsoft/Nintendo/Sony/PC are yours and stay yours even if the shop gets killed. If stadia gets disconnected? You loose everything. That's the problem with stadia and Google's track record at killing their own stuff when they're not overly profitable.