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Some people think it is a choice and as such something that can be defined by how they feel or think.



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Jaicee said:
Ka-pi96 said:
The same as sex. Just a more kid friendly way to say it so you don't actually have to explain what sex means.

I think that's essentially how most people view it, but I don't know if the two things are synonymous in actual practice. If they were, in fact, the exact same thing, we probably wouldn't have controversies over who should be allowed to use the women's restroom or locker room (e.g. is that respectful to the basic privacy and safety of women and girls?) or over whether it's fair for men (sorry, "male-bodied persons") to compete in women's sports leagues, or whether one has to be heterosexual to qualify as an authentic lesbian, etc. etc. etc. Sex and gender seem to be two different things in practice.

Maybe to some people. But as far as I'm concerned men and women have separate bathrooms/sports leagues because of physical biological differences. ie. there are factual differences between men and women. Whether people want to call that sex or gender doesn't really matter. The point is that things are separated in the first place because of factual physical differences rather than thoughts or feelings. If not separate based on physical differences then there isn't really a point separating men/women in the first place. But that would just be detrimental to equality rather than help it, especially in sports. Yeah, people want to see the very best athletes possible, but they also want to see as fair and competitive a competition as possible too. Separating sports based on physical gender/sex differences achieves both of those things. It's the same reason we have weight classes in combat sports and nobody complains about those.



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Gender and sex are not synonymous.

Gender refers to the social and cultural aspects of maleness/femaleness.
Sex refers to the biological aspects of maleness/femaleness.

Yes, "stereotypes", norms and expectations play a role in gender. You state that there is individual variation how people express their gender, which is true and it is why gender is often considered to be more of a spectrum than a strict binary.

I really don't understand the fervor with which people insist that these two concepts are the same... They are just words. Everybody should agree that these two facets of maleness/femaleness exist (as it is self-evident). Gender and sex are the words that have been chosen to speak about them.

PS: Why are there so many "transgender" related thread lately?



My five year old knows the difference between a man and a woman, I'm not sure why people find it so hard to work out.

And at the point one of the 0.5% of the population that's transgender suddenly pops up i'll tell my five you old about gender dysphoria in a way they can understand.



Sony want to make money by selling art, Nintendo want to make money by selling fun, Microsoft want to make money.

Cobretti2 said:
OR WE CAN GO WITH THIS


Woman: A person born as a female, and who identifies as female.

Man: A person born as a male, and who identifies as a male.

Transgender Man: A person who was assigned female at birth, but now identifies as a man. Some trans people choose to undergo gender reassignment surgery. Others prefer not to, but still identify as a different gender.

Transgender Woman: A person who was assigned male at birth, but who identifies as a woman. As above, some trans people choose to undergo gender reassignment surgery. Others prefer not to, but still identify as a different gender.

These four should be sufficient. All the others are people who struggle to find  their identity, so they try to push themselves in categories. I don't think this is very useful (especially since a lot of them basically mean the same thing), and I also don't think it's a very healthy thing for these people to do.

Edit: I can't fix the lay-out, because this site is almost unuseable on mobile.



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sundin13 said:


I really don't understand the fervor with which people insist that these two concepts are the same... They are just words. Everybody should agree that these two facets of maleness/femaleness exist (as it is self-evident). Gender and sex are the words that have been chosen to speak about them.

If they were "just words", they wouldn't be informing public policy so much as present.

It matters because society does not shape its public policies based on both of those definitions (sex and gender) combined, but based on one or the other definition strictly (sex or gender). When the subjective definition (gender) becomes the prevailing one, public policy problems are had, I feel, in the sense that, for instance, single-sex spaces now get disingenuously redefined as a form of discrimination against "certain women" or "certain men", as applicable, with the negative consequences falling one-sidedly on women (by which I mean biological females) across the board.

This for me isn't about the semantics of which pronouns to use. It's about whether women specifically will have such basic entitlements as the right to privacy, to safety, to fair play, or to freedom of speech and association going forward.



Flilix said:

Cobretti2 said:
OR WE CAN GO WITH THIS


Woman: A person born as a female, and who identifies as female.

Man: A person born as a male, and who identifies as a male.

Transgender Man: A person who was assigned female at birth, but now identifies as a man. Some trans people choose to undergo gender reassignment surgery. Others prefer not to, but still identify as a different gender.

Transgender Woman: A person who was assigned male at birth, but who identifies as a woman. As above, some trans people choose to undergo gender reassignment surgery. Others prefer not to, but still identify as a different gender.

These four should be sufficient. All the others are people who struggle to find  their identity, so they try to push themselves in categories. I don't think this is very useful (especially since a lot of them basically mean the same thing), and I also don't think it's a very healthy thing for these people to do.

Edit: I can't fix the lay-out, because this site is almost unuseable on mobile.


Yer when I read it there was a lot of crossover. I think you need a 5th Agender. Seen some articles (mine you i didn't research to see if they were true or not), where male and feels cut of their breasts (males nipples) and mutilated their genitals. I guess they fit under that category.  Even if false, I guess it could happen, where someone decides to do that. 



 

 

Flilix said:

Cobretti2 said:
OR WE CAN GO WITH THIS


Woman: A person born as a female, and who identifies as female.

Man: A person born as a male, and who identifies as a male.

Transgender Man: A person who was assigned female at birth, but now identifies as a man. Some trans people choose to undergo gender reassignment surgery. Others prefer not to, but still identify as a different gender.

Transgender Woman: A person who was assigned male at birth, but who identifies as a woman. As above, some trans people choose to undergo gender reassignment surgery. Others prefer not to, but still identify as a different gender.

These four should be sufficient. All the others are people who struggle to find  their identity, so they try to push themselves in categories. I don't think this is very useful (especially since a lot of them basically mean the same thing), and I also don't think it's a very healthy thing for these people to do.

Edit: I can't fix the lay-out, because this site is almost unuseable on mobile.

"These four should be sufficient. All the others are people who struggle to find  their identity, so they try to push themselves in categories. I don't think this is very useful (especially since a lot of them basically mean the same thing), and I also don't think it's a very healthy thing for these people to do."

so if someone wants to be a unicorn, for example, the other people around them should be expected to play along with that?



A collection of stereotypes of male and female behaviour. Which happens to be for 99% accurate. Since less than 1% of US is population does not identify with the gender they are born with.

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Flilix said:

These four should be sufficient. All the others are people who struggle to find  their identity, so they try to push themselves in categories. I don't think this is very useful (especially since a lot of them basically mean the same thing), and I also don't think it's a very healthy thing for these people to do.

Some of the older trans-identified people I know reject the concept of transgenderism though. They believe that since they've undergone surgery to have their birth genitilia either radically altered or eliminated, they now, in fact, belong to the opposite sex and that trans-identified people who haven't undergone such medical procedures are mostly, if not entirely, opportunistic frauds. These people refer to themselves as transsexual specifically and reject the term transgender.

These are the sorts or reasons why the lists of "gender identities" are as lengthy as they are.