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curl-6 on 03 June 2019
KManX89 said:
Kowan said:

This movie was amazing. It was so ridiculous and over the top, I loved it! If you want a film that will just keep you on the edge of your seat, just grab on to you and never let go, and just entertain the hell out of you, I'd say watch this film. There was filler human drama in between, but the pace just kept on going really fast that I didn't mind at all.
I felt like I was watching Godzilla: Final Wars but in steroids and MUCH MORE BEAUTIFUL.

My only major complaint about this is that they put in too many human characters and most of them don't even get any development at all. (I especially found the twins story to be such a wasted potential). I mean yes, we're focusing on the Kaijus so why put so many supposedly important human characters then?

I never understood this "too much humans" argument in kaiju films. Human characters are pretty central to the plot of Godzilla movies and kaiju movies in general. Steph Cozza actually posted a review where she complained about humans in the movie and actually compared it to the humans in the Transformers films:

Nevermind that the Transformers can actually talk and move the plot forward just fine without humans, hence humans don't even need to be IN the Transformers films (!), unlike kaiju in kaiju flicks.

FFS, do they really expect 90+ minutes of kaiju fighting with little plot? Do these people even know how budgeting works and how expensive that shit would be given the CGI of the kaiju in this movie? FFS, KotM cost $170 mil (it needs in the ballpark of $450-500 mil just to break even) given the screentime that they were actually given, which this movie DID give us more kaiju fights/action this time around, fuckin' A.

There's just no pleasing some people.

PS, I thought the movie was great. Even the human characters were more interesting this time around. 

Yeah I've never understood this either. Even setting aside budget, you can't just show 90 minutes of monsters slugging it out. The people are necessary to provide the context. 

A giant monster by itself is meaningless. Even the fact that it's "giant" is only relevant in relation to our own human sense of scale. They might as well be five feet tall if there's no people around. Kaiju are given meaning and purpose through their interaction with humanity.

Yes, the monster fights are the main attraction, and this film wisely treats them as such, but a monster film with no people at all is like making a disaster film about a volcano blowing up on an uninhabited planet.



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Poliwrathlord on 03 June 2019

I thought the movie was fine. Not as good as 2014 Godzilla IMO (great pay off at the end)
I did not enjoy the whole sub-plot with the Russells and Emma's goals were utterly ridiculous. I hated the white haired scientist guy on the Argo, every quip of his I rolled my eyes so hard. I feel like the script was really only a first draft and the movie was an exhausting globe-trot, with seemingly every other scene taking place on a different continent.
I really enjoyed the monster design (Rodan and Mothra looked really cool). I loved the moment between Serizawa and Godzilla and there was some nice battle preamble camera work as well, and of course great sound direction.

I just hope Godzilla v. Kong is a success... this movie is apparently floundering at the box office and that's a shame cause I would like to see more of the Monsterverse.



KManX89 on 05 June 2019
curl-6 said:
KManX89 said:

I never understood this "too much humans" argument in kaiju films. Human characters are pretty central to the plot of Godzilla movies and kaiju movies in general. Steph Cozza actually posted a review where she complained about humans in the movie and actually compared it to the humans in the Transformers films:

Nevermind that the Transformers can actually talk and move the plot forward just fine without humans, hence humans don't even need to be IN the Transformers films (!), unlike kaiju in kaiju flicks.

FFS, do they really expect 90+ minutes of kaiju fighting with little plot? Do these people even know how budgeting works and how expensive that shit would be given the CGI of the kaiju in this movie? FFS, KotM cost $170 mil (it needs in the ballpark of $450-500 mil just to break even) given the screentime that they were actually given, which this movie DID give us more kaiju fights/action this time around, fuckin' A.

There's just no pleasing some people.

PS, I thought the movie was great. Even the human characters were more interesting this time around. 

Yeah I've never understood this either. Even setting aside budget, you can't just show 90 minutes of monsters slugging it out. The people are necessary to provide the context. 

A giant monster by itself is meaningless. Even the fact that it's "giant" is only relevant in relation to our own human sense of scale. They might as well be five feet tall if there's no people around. Kaiju are given meaning and purpose through their interaction with humanity.

Yes, the monster fights are the main attraction, and this film wisely treats them as such, but a monster film with no people at all is like making a disaster film about a volcano blowing up on an uninhabited planet.

I know! Imagine if Cloverfield were just 90 minutes of the Clover monster destroying shit (which the movie's entire runtime is 90 minutes) with no human interaction. It'd have no plot and no build up to any of it. 

And comparing it to humans in the Bayformers movies? That's just pure ignorance if I've ever seen it.

You need humans to advance the plot of kaiju movies.
You DON'T need humans to advance the plot of Transformers movies (ever seen any of the animated films? They work just fine without humans!).

Hell, not only are they not needed, they actually get more focus than the effing Transformers in those movies (!), are completely unlikable and make stupid jokes (AoE literally goes out of its way to justify statutory rape FFS!), whereas humans have always been important parts to any kaiju film, so those 2 aren't even remotely comparable. The fact that Steph Cozza feels the need to compare humans in the two movies is just baffling, and I say this as somebody who's subscribed to her and agrees with a lot of her reviews (her GhostBusters 2016 one in particular is real "juicy" ).



curl-6 on 05 June 2019
KManX89 said:
curl-6 said:

Yeah I've never understood this either. Even setting aside budget, you can't just show 90 minutes of monsters slugging it out. The people are necessary to provide the context. 

A giant monster by itself is meaningless. Even the fact that it's "giant" is only relevant in relation to our own human sense of scale. They might as well be five feet tall if there's no people around. Kaiju are given meaning and purpose through their interaction with humanity.

Yes, the monster fights are the main attraction, and this film wisely treats them as such, but a monster film with no people at all is like making a disaster film about a volcano blowing up on an uninhabited planet.

I know! Imagine if Cloverfield were just 90 minutes of the Clover monster destroying shit (which the movie's entire runtime is 90 minutes) with no human interaction. It'd have no plot and no build up to any of it. 

And comparing it to humans in the Bayformers movies? That's just pure ignorance if I've ever seen it.

You need humans to advance the plot of kaiju movies.
You DON'T need humans to advance the plot of Transformers movies (ever seen any of the animated films? They work just fine without humans!).

Hell, not only are they not needed, they actually get more focus than the effing Transformers in those movies (!), are completely unlikable and make stupid jokes (AoE literally goes out of its way to justify statutory rape FFS!), whereas humans have always been important parts to any kaiju film, so those 2 aren't even remotely comparable. The fact that Steph Cozza feels the need to compare humans in the two movies is just baffling, and I say this as somebody who's subscribed to her and agrees with a lot of her reviews (her GhostBusters 2016 one in particular is real "juicy" ).

The way I see it, the human element of King of the Monsters is certainly nothing to write home about, but I didn't think it was below average either for a kaiju film or for a Hollywood blockbuster in general. At least in they had a strong cast of competent actors like Charles Dance, Zhang Ziyi, Sally Hawkins, Ken Watanabe, etc.

As a piece of cinema it's far from perfect, but to its credit it really is a love letter to both the kaiju sub-genre and its fans. 



The Fury on 06 June 2019

I went to see it last night. I thought it was a great spectacle as a cinematic experience but actually wanted more, it felt (by the end) like a big trailer to the whole Kong vs Godzilla thing the studio are making. Like the studio wanted to make Kong vs Godzilla and the only way Toho allowed them to use Godzilla in a film with Kong is to make this first.

The fights were great, the kaiju's portrayed really well and the simple ridiculousness of the entire film was expected and welcome. Wanted more from Mothra though. I preferred 2014 as a film, the section of the film that had them looking for Godzilla in his home seemed to drag on a bit.



Hmm, pie.

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captain carot on 06 June 2019

Godzilla 2014 had a great 'human perspective' on the Kaiju. Like natural disasters. And though it's plot was pretty weak as well, it managed to have decent human characters. What it was missing was a bit more monster action.
KotM has some nice nods to the japanese Godzilla series, the twins being one of them, but it lacks in human characters in so many ways. At the same time, all those Kaiju fights are great.
So far, to me, Skull Island was the best overall Monsterverse experience. Visually great, good action, way better human element than in KotM. Still had lots of fun watching Godzilla 2, but i can't shake the feeling it could've been way better and effectively wasted potential.



curl-6 on 08 June 2019

Just saw it a second time; actually enjoyed it more now that I could relax and know exactly what I was in for as opposed to the first time when I was a bit nervous they'd mess it up somehow.

And holy smokes, I underestimated just how chockablock this film is with homages and references; I caught a bunch more this that I missed on my first viewing, such as:

- At the start of the film with the protests calling for the extermination of the kaiju, one sign reads "Destroy All Monsters", the name of the 9th Godzilla movie, from 1968.

- Monarch's flagship the Argo is the name of the ship in Jason and the Argonauts, whose characters also fight a many-headed serpent monster. Dunno how I missed that first time round!

- On the map of the world showing the locations of the monsters, there's one at Loch Ness in Scotland.

- I noticed Godzilla's and Mothra's themes the first time around, but a few bars from other musical themes from the classic movies also play in a few scenes, such as "Requiem" from Godzilla vs Destoroyah, and Michiru Oshima's main theme from the 2000/2002/2003 films.

- The old photo of Dr Chen's grandparents is labelled "Infant Island, 1961", which is the year and fictional setting of the original Mothra movie.

- One of the newspaper clippings from the end credits says it's written by "Steve Martin", the American reporter from the edited US version of the original Godzilla movie.

I know I'm geeking out but as a fan I just love that they included so many of these little easter eggs.

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curl-6 on 14 August 2019

Finally, we have a Blu Ray/DVD release date here in Australia; the 11th of next month.

America gets it two weeks earlier on the 27th of this month (lucky buggers) and it's already out now on Digital.

Super pumped to comb through it for more Easter Eggs and to check out the half-dozen deleted scenes that have been confirmed.