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Alara317 on 29 March 2019
RJTM1991 said:
Alara317 said:

Your willful ignorance needs to 'go to bed'. Holy shit, this is exactly how underrepresented minorities continue to not get representation and remain minorities. 

So, for the sake of argument, and because I love box office numbers, I'm going to go through the list of highes grossing films in America in 2018 and say who/what the leads is/are. 

1 - Black Panther - Black male lead (Cultural touchstone, kind of a big deal.)
2 - Avengers: Infinity War (MANY White male leads including Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, Peter Quill, Peter Parker, and so, so many more.) 
3 - The Incredibles 2 (White Male and White Female leads)
4 - Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (White male and white female leads)
5 - Aquaman (So many white male leads)
6 - Deadpool 2 (White male lead....but hey I'll give you a female black lead in domino even though she's like tertiary)
7 - The Grinch (Green character played by a white male)
8 - Mission Impossible: Fallout (The whitest of male leads)
9 - Ant-Man and the Wasp (White male and white female leads)
10 - Bohemian Rhapsody (Armenian male lead...still basically white, definitely not black, and the other leads are all white males)
11 - A Star is Born (Super White Male and white female leads)
12 - Solo: A Star Wars Story (White Male and White Female Leads)
13 - Venom (White male lead)
14 - Ralph Breaks the Internet (White male, white female leads)
15 - Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse (Black male lead!)
16 - A Quiet Place (White male and white female lead)
17 - Crazy Rich Asians (Asian Male and Asian female lead)
18 - Mary Poppins Returns (White Female lead, rest of the cast is all white)
19 - Hotel Transylvania (White male lead)
20 - Fantastic Beasts (White male lead, but hey there's SOME racial diveristy in the cast, but all the leads are white males)
21 - Halloween (White female and White Male leads)
22 - The Meg (White male and asian female leads)
23 - Oceans 8 (White Female leads)
24 - Ready Player One (White Male LEads)
25 - Bumblebee (White Female Lead)
26 - Mamma Mia 2 (White female lead)
27 - The Nun (White leads)
28 - Creed II (Black Male lead)
29 - Peter Rabbit (White Male Lead)
30 - The Mule (White Male Lead)
31 - The Equalizer 2 (Black Male Lead)
32 - Rampage (The rock, he is neither man nor coloured, he's the rock)
33 - A Wrinkle in Time (Black Female LEad)
34 - Fifty Shades freed (White Female and Male Leads)

So yeah, bit of a pattern there. 11% of the movies for a population that's ~14% of the US Population...and keep in mind this is 2018 films when it became hip and trendy to support black films for this exact reason. This is post-woke America and it's STILL not fully representative. I do believe this year will be better and I do belive that as time goes on it'll be even more well balanced in accordance to the proper disparity between white, black, hispanic, asian, and other races, but don't dare try to imply that the disparity is imagined. 

Again, this is 2018's top films that made over 100 million in the US...in a year that was FAMOUS for how much support black directors, black casts, and black actors/actresses recieved. IT's still not enough. 

It's such a 'white' thing to be VERY represented well in *Checks* Every movie on this list but Black Panther and still complain that 'the blacks are getting too much attention'. Even the movies that star black males or black females STILL have a huge white male presence. Creed II still had Stallone, Into the Spider Verse had 4/7 spideys as white males with one black male, one white female, and one asian female, and hell, even a movie famous for its mostly black cast and crew still had two VERY prevalent token white boys in Ross and Klaue. 

Please stop being willfully ignorant. Let people have their representation. You're not suddenly going to be missing out on your white male leads just because we got a few more chocolate chips in the dough. the more flavour the better. 

I've never once complained about black people in movies. I really don't care about trivial shit like race to be honest. It's a shame that so many people need to see an actor or actress with the same skin color to enjoy something.

But this idea that black people are cowering victims who never get a chance is preposterous. Again, black music is everywhere. There's so many black movies and TV shows. Black sports stars, black history month... just because the mainstream is suddenly paying attention doesn't mean that black people have always been underrepresented or shat on in the past.

Oh cut that shit out. Just, holy hell could you misrepresent the issue or deflect any more? it is a FACT that black culture is underrepresented in the film industry, saying 'there's a lot of black music' does not change that and it's not what we're discussing. 

You are the problem here. 



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RJTM1991 on 29 March 2019
Alara317 said:
RJTM1991 said:

I've never once complained about black people in movies. I really don't care about trivial shit like race to be honest. It's a shame that so many people need to see an actor or actress with the same skin color to enjoy something.

But this idea that black people are cowering victims who never get a chance is preposterous. Again, black music is everywhere. There's so many black movies and TV shows. Black sports stars, black history month... just because the mainstream is suddenly paying attention doesn't mean that black people have always been underrepresented or shat on in the past.

Oh cut that shit out. Just, holy hell could you misrepresent the issue or deflect any more? it is a FACT that black culture is underrepresented in the film industry, saying 'there's a lot of black music' does not change that and it's not what we're discussing. 

You are the problem here. 

So, a minority, 13% of the population, despite a plethora of Award-winning black movies, TV shows, actors and actresses, is underrepresented in film in 2019?

??? You can't be serious.

Also, you can't talk about black culture and not mention it's music. When it comes to movie soundtracks, black films don't feature rock and metal, it's always black music.



Torillian on 29 March 2019
RJTM1991 said:
Alara317 said:

Oh cut that shit out. Just, holy hell could you misrepresent the issue or deflect any more? it is a FACT that black culture is underrepresented in the film industry, saying 'there's a lot of black music' does not change that and it's not what we're discussing. 

You are the problem here. 

So, a minority, 13% of the population, despite a plethora of Award-winning black movies, TV shows, actors and actresses, is underrepresented in film in 2019?

??? You can't be serious.

Also, you can't talk about black culture and not mention it's music. When it comes to movie soundtracks, black films don't feature rock and metal, it's always black music.

The only way to know if it's underrepresented is to match that 13% of the population number with a similar number from media. You cannot just say "look at all this black people media stuff, they must be fine", that's not how something being numerically over or underrepresented works. Bring some numbers, give us studies, give us anything to legitimize your claim. 



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RJTM1991 on 29 March 2019
Torillian said:
RJTM1991 said:

So, a minority, 13% of the population, despite a plethora of Award-winning black movies, TV shows, actors and actresses, is underrepresented in film in 2019?

??? You can't be serious.

Also, you can't talk about black culture and not mention it's music. When it comes to movie soundtracks, black films don't feature rock and metal, it's always black music.

The only way to know if it's underrepresented is to match that 13% of the population number with a similar number from media. You cannot just say "look at all this black people media stuff, they must be fine", that's not how something being numerically over or underrepresented works. Bring some numbers, give us studies, give us anything to legitimize your claim. 

Well, surely that means that you have to prove that black people are indeed underrepresented as well.



o_O.Q on 29 March 2019
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
DarthMetalliCube said:

 and I'm not saying Peele actively looking for black leads in his films is wrong by any means - but he's still acting racist if he's excluding people based on skin color.

How To Contradict Yourself In The Same Sentence 

do you think affirmative action is wrong?



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o_O.Q on 29 March 2019
Alara317 said:
RJTM1991 said:

I've never once complained about black people in movies. I really don't care about trivial shit like race to be honest. It's a shame that so many people need to see an actor or actress with the same skin color to enjoy something.

But this idea that black people are cowering victims who never get a chance is preposterous. Again, black music is everywhere. There's so many black movies and TV shows. Black sports stars, black history month... just because the mainstream is suddenly paying attention doesn't mean that black people have always been underrepresented or shat on in the past.

Oh cut that shit out. Just, holy hell could you misrepresent the issue or deflect any more? it is a FACT that black culture is underrepresented in the film industry, saying 'there's a lot of black music' does not change that and it's not what we're discussing. 

You are the problem here. 

white people are underrepresented in the nba are you for forcing greater diversity there too?



o_O.Q on 29 March 2019

why do people need actors to be a certain skin color to enjoy a movie? i think that's the real issue here, i didn't think black panther was a good movie(it wasn't) or enjoy it anymore because the main character was black 

i literally rolled my eyes at the racist digs against white people - calling the white guy coloniser as soon as he woke up, th white guy being made fun of by the jabari etc etc etc



DonFerrari on 29 March 2019
o_O.Q said:
Alara317 said:

Oh cut that shit out. Just, holy hell could you misrepresent the issue or deflect any more? it is a FACT that black culture is underrepresented in the film industry, saying 'there's a lot of black music' does not change that and it's not what we're discussing. 

You are the problem here. 

white people are underrepresented in the nba are you for forcing greater diversity there too?

Let's wait for the study showing there is less than 13% of NBA top players being black.



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o_O.Q on 29 March 2019
DonFerrari said:
o_O.Q said:

white people are underrepresented in the nba are you for forcing greater diversity there too?

Let's wait for the study showing there is less than 13% of NBA top players being black.

there is no study because racism against white people in the nba is accepted as being moral because of the past injustices of white people



Machiavellian on 29 March 2019
DarthMetalliCube said:

I don't buy the context argument. First of all, every individual has completely different circumstances in life, and (at least in the West) it's 99% determined by other factors than race nowadays. Second of all - Racism is racism.

If A white dude wants to be in a Peele movie, but Peele won't hire him for the role because of the color of his skin, well, that's racist. This is just objectively factual, by the very dictionary defenition of racism.

Now, you might argue there are degrees of it, or Peele might have his legitimate REASONS to act in such a way - and in fact his reasonings actually are somewhat understandable, and I'm not saying Peele actively looking for black leads in his films is wrong by any means - but he's still acting racist if he's excluding people based on skin color.

The thing is, justifying your racism doesn't make you less racist. In fact, that's what MOST racists do, isn't it?

AT BOLDED: In your example, you provided no context and its one of the main issue with this thread.  If the movies he makes comes from a black person perspective then why exactly would a white male be the appropriate lead.  This is why context is king.  You cannot ignore the context of why the white male is rejected for the lead role just because you do not want to take in the total situation instead of singling out an instance.  

There is no racism here if the roles, the movie and the perspective is specific to what the artist want to portray.  This is like saying all directors that make viking movies are racist because they have no black male lead roles as a viking.