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CaptainExplosion said:

This is why the wealthy are not to be trusted. They're good for nothing parasites who never worked a day in their lives.

I really hope to God you don't honestly believe this about every single wealthy person there is.

You do realize how most (key word most) people get wealthy right? The business owners and investors that worked their asses off for 12-15 hour days 7 days a week? Yea those ones. The way that most wealthy people I see in my life in the business world can be described. The ones that never hang out with their kids because they are too busy working all the time. The ones that have shitty marriages cause they care more about their job and money than their significant others.

I'm not saying wealthy people are fantastic people (but I also would never put an all encompassing explanation about every single one of them and their characteristics)...but that they all never worked a day in their lives? That is a brand flipping new one for me to hear.

Wow.

Have you ever even seen how little of a life Elon Musk has? The guy works like 100+ hours a week. You think Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, etc got to where they are with absolutely zero work? That really is a certain kind of special comment.

Just to make clear YET AGAIN, cause I already know how you are going to respond. I'm not inferring they shouldn't pay more taxes, that they can't be pieces of shit (who isn't), that they are selfish about their money, and a million other things. But that not one of them worked a day in their lives? Laugh. Out. Loud.



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Jumpin said:
CaptainExplosion said:

He basically committed genocide when he pulled out of Syria, letting Islamic State and Turks go all in on their war crimes against Kurds, and of course his continued caging of non-white children at the US/Mexican boarder, several of whom have died because of the inhumane conditions he's kept them in.

Here's something for you CaptainExplosion:

It's been in the tabloids lately that Turkey's Erdogan has some dirt on Jared Kushner that may implicate Trump in the conspiracy for the murder of Jamal Khashoggi. It certainly lines up with the events reported on by general news sources in that Kushner has repeatedly tried to accuse Khashoggi as a terrorist. The suggested dirt is a recorded phone conversation between Kushner and the Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman.

Granted, tabloids are often not correct in their news, they are also often to first to break the majority of scandals to the press.

What if Erdogan used that information to persuade Trump to pull troops from Syria to allow the attacks on his (Erdogan's) enemies to occur?

If so then it's yet another reason somebody needs to blow Erdogan's brains out.

Baalzamon said:
CaptainExplosion said:

This is why the wealthy are not to be trusted. They're good for nothing parasites who never worked a day in their lives.

I really hope to God you don't honestly believe this about every single wealthy person there is.

You do realize how most (key word most) people get wealthy right? The business owners and investors that worked their asses off for 12-15 hour days 7 days a week? Yea those ones. The way that most wealthy people I see in my life in the business world can be described. The ones that never hang out with their kids because they are too busy working all the time. The ones that have shitty marriages cause they care more about their job and money than their significant others.

I'm not saying wealthy people are fantastic people (but I also would never put an all encompassing explanation about every single one of them and their characteristics)...but that they all never worked a day in their lives? That is a brand flipping new one for me to hear.

Wow.

Have you ever even seen how little of a life Elon Musk has? The guy works like 100+ hours a week. You think Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, etc got to where they are with absolutely zero work? That really is a certain kind of special comment.

Just to make clear YET AGAIN, cause I already know how you are going to respond. I'm not inferring they shouldn't pay more taxes, that they can't be pieces of shit (who isn't), that they are selfish about their money, and a million other things. But that not one of them worked a day in their lives? Laugh. Out. Loud.

Sure, Bill Gates didn't get there without hard work, but Jeff Bezos is the richest shit stain on the planet, while his staff are practically in poverty.

One person gets to buy multiple mansions, cruise ships, etc. while everyone else can barely get a decent meal everyday? How's that fair?

Name at least one, ONE billionaire who's helping people instead of fucking them over, and maybe I'll change my mind about the wealthy.

Last edited by CaptainExplosion - on 10 November 2019

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CaptainExplosion said:
Machiavellian said:
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/new-york-judge-orders-trump-to-pay-2-million-for-charitable-foundation-violations/
Once a grifter always a grifter.

And all he suffers is having to pay a fine? That's a slap on the wrist for all the sexual assault, theft, white supremacy enabling, inciting violence, child abuse and genocide he's committed.

This is why the wealthy are not to be trusted. They're good for nothing parasites who never worked a day in their lives.

Very dangerous thinking again captain,an extremist look on things does not help us.If someone with that thinking is ever able to have power over someone wealthy that is also a good person then sad things may happen.

Do you personally know a lot of wealthy people or you just think everything negative about them in media involves them all ?

Edit:Also it is the same kind of logic/thinking racists use,look from a distance and spew hate without really knowing about it.



CaptainExplosion said:
Jumpin said:

Here's something for you CaptainExplosion:

It's been in the tabloids lately that Turkey's Erdogan has some dirt on Jared Kushner that may implicate Trump in the conspiracy for the murder of Jamal Khashoggi. It certainly lines up with the events reported on by general news sources in that Kushner has repeatedly tried to accuse Khashoggi as a terrorist. The suggested dirt is a recorded phone conversation between Kushner and the Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman.

Granted, tabloids are often not correct in their news, they are also often to first to break the majority of scandals to the press.

What if Erdogan used that information to persuade Trump to pull troops from Syria to allow the attacks on his (Erdogan's) enemies to occur?

If so then it's yet another reason somebody needs to blow Erdogan's brains out.

Baalzamon said:

I really hope to God you don't honestly believe this about every single wealthy person there is.

You do realize how most (key word most) people get wealthy right? The business owners and investors that worked their asses off for 12-15 hour days 7 days a week? Yea those ones. The way that most wealthy people I see in my life in the business world can be described. The ones that never hang out with their kids because they are too busy working all the time. The ones that have shitty marriages cause they care more about their job and money than their significant others.

I'm not saying wealthy people are fantastic people (but I also would never put an all encompassing explanation about every single one of them and their characteristics)...but that they all never worked a day in their lives? That is a brand flipping new one for me to hear.

Wow.

Have you ever even seen how little of a life Elon Musk has? The guy works like 100+ hours a week. You think Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, etc got to where they are with absolutely zero work? That really is a certain kind of special comment.

Just to make clear YET AGAIN, cause I already know how you are going to respond. I'm not inferring they shouldn't pay more taxes, that they can't be pieces of shit (who isn't), that they are selfish about their money, and a million other things. But that not one of them worked a day in their lives? Laugh. Out. Loud.

Sure, Bill Gates didn't get there without hard work, but Jeff Bezos is the richest shit stain on the planet, while his staff are practically in poverty.

One person gets to buy multiple mansions, cruise ships, etc. while everyone else can barely get a decent meal everyday? How's that fair?

Name at least one, ONE billionaire who's helping people instead of fucking them over, and maybe I'll change my mind about the wealthy.

#1 - I never said they were great people. I said your comment that they never worked a day in their life was a bunch of bogus. Now you are changing it to "without hard work" as if your job is so much harder than an office job just because it might involve physical labor. You have absolutely no clue. I've worked 20 hour days before with an office job. You don't think the stress behind that is hard? How does it make you feel when you have to work through personal finances all day, and then other adult decisions. Most people indicate it is tiring work that exhausts them. Welcome to the type of thinking required for many office jobs. Heck, most people pay somebody (who is ironically way wealthier than them) to help them with all of their personal finance decisions cause it is too hard for them.

#2 - I could list plenty of people that seem quite decent (Warren Buffett for instance), but it is quite clear you don't actually want to hear that at all. You truly just want to believe that their accumulation of wealth is evil.

#3 - And your comment regarding mansions and meals etc. You do realize that zero additional solutions to this have been proposed as a result of these wealth taxes etc. I would guess it has something to do with there are already programs in place for this.



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Baalzamon said:
CaptainExplosion said:

If so then it's yet another reason somebody needs to blow Erdogan's brains out.

Sure, Bill Gates didn't get there without hard work, but Jeff Bezos is the richest shit stain on the planet, while his staff are practically in poverty.

One person gets to buy multiple mansions, cruise ships, etc. while everyone else can barely get a decent meal everyday? How's that fair?

Name at least one, ONE billionaire who's helping people instead of fucking them over, and maybe I'll change my mind about the wealthy.

#1 - I never said they were great people. I said your comment that they never worked a day in their life was a bunch of bogus. Now you are changing it to "without hard work" as if your job is so much harder than an office job just because it might involve physical labor. You have absolutely no clue. I've worked 20 hour days before with an office job. You don't think the stress behind that is hard? How does it make you feel when you have to work through personal finances all day, and then other adult decisions. Most people indicate it is tiring work that exhausts them. Welcome to the type of thinking required for many office jobs. Heck, most people pay somebody (who is ironically way wealthier than them) to help them with all of their personal finance decisions cause it is too hard for them.

#2 - I could list plenty of people that seem quite decent (Warren Buffett for instance), but it is quite clear you don't actually want to hear that at all. You truly just want to believe that their accumulation of wealth is evil.

#3 - And your comment regarding mansions and meals etc. You do realize that zero additional solutions to this have been proposed as a result of these wealth taxes etc. I would guess it has something to do with there are already programs in place for this.

And are these programs even working?



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As a general rule, I'd say many of our programs intended to assist the poor aren't very effective at all, largely because none of them provide any assistance whatsoever on how to improve going forward. How to actually budget, cook at home, etc etc.

I'm by NO means suggesting stopping these programs, but I think it's absurd that we just leave the people in the dust when it comes to truly trying to help them improve their situation (and just handing even more money to them DOES NOT WORK). It might get them a meal for another day, but it doesn't bring them out of poverty.



Money can't buy happiness. Just video games, which make me happy.

Baalzamon said:
As a general rule, I'd say many of our programs intended to assist the poor aren't very effective at all, largely because none of them provide any assistance whatsoever on how to improve going forward. How to actually budget, cook at home, etc etc.

I'm by NO means suggesting stopping these programs, but I think it's absurd that we just leave the people in the dust when it comes to truly trying to help them improve their situation (and just handing even more money to them DOES NOT WORK). It might get them a meal for another day, but it doesn't bring them out of poverty.

And from what I see those who have billions of dollars can give more than enough to help, but they don't, because they just don't care.



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The problem with that mindset is that people wouldn't be happy until the billionaires have $0 left.

The billionaires give...billions to extremely helpful charities (and no, it isn't to just get a tax break. The math behind giving $2 to save $0.80 in taxes just doesn't add up as so many people seem to think).

Do they live more lucratively than they could? They absolutely do. Many billionaires are even for potentially raising taxes (Bill Gates himself isn't against a higher tax rate on the wealthy, nor is Warren Buffett).

But once again, you are constantly changing your argument here. This all started because you said rich people haven't worked a day in their lives (when other than the very few wealthy people who inherited enormous wealth, they obtained their very wealth by doing just that...working). You then converted this to they haven't worked hard in their entire lives.

Now you have converted to just saying the Billionaires could give more to help, but they give nothing. Not only did I never insinuate billionaires don't have money to help further, but you are once again wrong in saying they just don't help at all. They absolutely do.

Our problems I think boils down to a lot more of fundamental basics on how to get through adulthood vs just having the wealthy distribute even more dollars to the poor. Eventually, (and I know this is somewhat of a slippery slope), you could tax the wealthy with extreme rates (say 90%), but you will still have people in poverty. No matter how much you redistribute wealth, there will always be some people in poverty, especially when many people simply don't understand the basic mechanics of handling the money that they do have.

Look, I'm all for the betterment of society as a whole, I just really don't think this complete attack on the Uber wealthy (even if I do believe they should have SOME more taxes) will accomplish remotely close to what people seem to be envisioning.



Money can't buy happiness. Just video games, which make me happy.

Probably the biggest issue across society as a whole is people truly WANTING to work hard and get themselves something. I have no idea what the fix is.

But the amount of people that didn't care at all throughout school (grades K-12), then really didn't care in college (if they attended). Then they screw around all day at their jobs and don't take it seriously at all. But then they complain that they don't make enough money to function as they want to in our society.

They complain that their boss makes more than them...it just really comes off as this constant stream of complaints about those who are better off, instead of actually working to obtain something better for yourself.

Is this how it should be? I honestly don't know. Maybe those who jerk off in school should still just be able to get good jobs, live a lucrative life. I'm really not sure.

But it really seems like the general person I see who actually has SOME motivation in their life? They do decent. They might not be rich. But they arent in poverty their whole lives.



Money can't buy happiness. Just video games, which make me happy.

Baalzamon said:
Probably the biggest issue across society as a whole is people truly WANTING to work hard and get themselves something. I have no idea what the fix is.

But the amount of people that didn't care at all throughout school (grades K-12), then really didn't care in college (if they attended). Then they screw around all day at their jobs and don't take it seriously at all. But then they complain that they don't make enough money to function as they want to in our society.

They complain that their boss makes more than them...it just really comes off as this constant stream of complaints about those who are better off, instead of actually working to obtain something better for yourself.

Is this how it should be? I honestly don't know. Maybe those who jerk off in school should still just be able to get good jobs, live a lucrative life. I'm really not sure.

But it really seems like the general person I see who actually has SOME motivation in their life? They do decent. They might not be rich. But they arent in poverty their whole lives.

I think there are a lot of systemic problems within that large problem beyond just some innate individual level issue.

For example, part of the reason many people do not get by well in school is because our school system has failed to properly engage with them, or provide the resources (be it additional teachers or additional learning tools) to create students who are encouraged to engage with that system. Further, our schooling system in large part does not prepare individuals for life outside of school so they are unable to make the informed choices necessary to both find a work environment which is suited to them, and function outside of work. These improvements could create a positive feedback system which improves the ability of future generations to tackle those same issues.

This extends to issues in the workplace, starting with the actual process of career selection, and extending to the lack of unionization, and general attitudes which treat the employee as a tool and not a partner. Again, there are many missteps along the way which create this disillusionment with the system and create an environment where the employee cannot thrive.

All in all, while you can speak of things on the individual level which can be done to be better off, we have to face and acknowledge those systemic factors which create these issues. We cannot simply look at the end product as if it was inevitable. It is the result of interactions between all of those individuals systems.

And addressing these issues, more often than not, requires money. This may be money from taxes which go towards hiring new teachers in an underfunded district, or this could be money which goes towards providing additional paid vacation days to ensure that your employees don't feel as if they are being exploited. In most circumstances, the place this money should come from, is the rich.

Note: I am not directly disagreeing with you or arguing with the points that are being made. Just adding my two cents to this conversation, so don't feel like I am implying that you have been expressing the opposite of these points.