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I'm confused, is this purely based on the demo or the game? I know the demo is probably *close* to the final game but I wouldn't be surprised if things change on release.



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Mr Puggsly said:
I thought this was a technical marvel for the Switch until I heard the resolutions. Its like the resolution of CoD games on last gen.

He said 60 fps was amazing due to bottleneck or whatever, but its evident the real bottleneck with UE4 is the GPU usage. For example Ark is pretty good at targeting 30 fps, while the sacrifice was clearly on GPU.

 Ark is  pretty bad example to use. The porting studio of that game recently mentioned that Ark Switch port was release well before the port was done and that they have improvement to the resolution and framerate possible; but StudioWildcard won't return there calls.



     

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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
I'm confused, is this purely based on the demo or the game? I know the demo is probably *close* to the final game but I wouldn't be surprised if things change on release.

Demo. Also on my 4k 55inch tv this game looks absolutely amazing, im really shocked it has such a low resolution its so well hidden. It looks alot better then any 2d platformer ninty put out for awhile including Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze. Really bizarre how good it actually looks.



cycycychris said:
Mr Puggsly said:
I thought this was a technical marvel for the Switch until I heard the resolutions. Its like the resolution of CoD games on last gen.

He said 60 fps was amazing due to bottleneck or whatever, but its evident the real bottleneck with UE4 is the GPU usage. For example Ark is pretty good at targeting 30 fps, while the sacrifice was clearly on GPU.

 Ark is  pretty bad example to use. The porting studio of that game recently mentioned that Ark Switch port was release well before the port was done and that they have improvement to the resolution and framerate possible; but StudioWildcard won't return there calls.

You missed my point entirely.

I'm saying there is enough evidence that the UE4 engine actually works well on Switch, PS4, and X1 on the CPU side. UE4 games have generally done pretty well at targeting 30 fps and even 60 fps on X1/PS4. Its often at the compromise of resolution and other visual aspects though. Its most prevalent on X1 where they target 720p/60 fps.

Hence, the DF guy said hitting 60 fps is difficult because of the CPU. I'm saying UE4 games seem to run okay on the CPU side but really struggle on GPU. The Switch running this game at 60 fps is proof of this, while the resolution of the game takes a huge hit.



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Nintendo should just lower the FPS per second in order to get the resolution up to a stable 900p. In what world do you need 60 FPS for a relaxing platformer like Yoshi?



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The games art/texturing/geometry isn't particularly noisy/complex it's simple, it's clean... And that means it will hold up better at lower resolutions as there are less edges for staircasing.
That's not a bad thing either.

It's a case of using better art assets to make your limited resources go farther.

Mr Puggsly said:
cycycychris said:

 Ark is  pretty bad example to use. The porting studio of that game recently mentioned that Ark Switch port was release well before the port was done and that they have improvement to the resolution and framerate possible; but StudioWildcard won't return there calls.

You missed my point entirely.

I'm saying there is enough evidence that the UE4 engine actually works well on Switch, PS4, and X1 on the CPU side. UE4 games have generally done pretty well at targeting 30 fps and even 60 fps on X1/PS4. Its often at the compromise of resolution and other visual aspects though. Its most prevalent on X1 where they target 720p/60 fps.

Hence, the DF guy said hitting 60 fps is difficult because of the CPU. I'm saying UE4 games seem to run okay on the CPU side but really struggle on GPU. The Switch running this game at 60 fps is proof of this, while the resolution of the game takes a huge hit.


I don't think the CPU is what holds back the Switch most of the time either.
ARM A57 is getting old (5+ years) and the Switch only has 3x CPU cores available for games and they only clock at 1Ghz... But they can still pull their weight... Being a 3-wide design unlike the narrower 2-wide with the Jaguars certainly help matters, that's for sure.

The GPU is still clearly the biggest hindrance followed by memory bandwidth... Especially for newer engines which are pushing an array of effects.
Maxwell is efficient sure, much more so than AMD's efforts and is punching above it's weight... But it just lacks the resources to drive home those resolutions... It just doesn't have the fillrate.



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Give me 60fps over hd resolution any day of the week. This game looks great thanks to the smoothness of its framerate.



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Pemalite said: 
Mr Puggsly said:

You missed my point entirely.

I'm saying there is enough evidence that the UE4 engine actually works well on Switch, PS4, and X1 on the CPU side. UE4 games have generally done pretty well at targeting 30 fps and even 60 fps on X1/PS4. Its often at the compromise of resolution and other visual aspects though. Its most prevalent on X1 where they target 720p/60 fps.

Hence, the DF guy said hitting 60 fps is difficult because of the CPU. I'm saying UE4 games seem to run okay on the CPU side but really struggle on GPU. The Switch running this game at 60 fps is proof of this, while the resolution of the game takes a huge hit.


I don't think the CPU is what holds back the Switch most of the time either.
ARM A57 is getting old (5+ years) and the Switch only has 3x CPU cores available for games and they only clock at 1Ghz... But they can still pull their weight... Being a 3-wide design unlike the narrower 2-wide with the Jaguars certainly help matters, that's for sure.

The GPU is still clearly the biggest hindrance followed by memory bandwidth... Especially for newer engines which are pushing an array of effects.
Maxwell is efficient sure, much more so than AMD's efforts and is punching above it's weight... But it just lacks the resources to drive home those resolutions... It just doesn't have the fillrate.

Agreed, I had a similar discussion with someone before. In a nutshell he said the CPU and GPU of X1 and PS4 weren't well balanced compared to the Switch, but I believe the opposite.

I used Ark as an example because that game runs surprisingly okay on Switch, even with many dinosaur models on screen, flying over the world, etc. There isn't a CPU problem on Switch per se, developers are struggling with its limited GPU.

With this game, considering its running 60 fps with UE4, it shows the Switch CPU is actually pretty good. While the resolution could probably be 1080p with GPU power equal to X1.

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Like I always say, quality of pixels > quantity of pixels.

Good Feel made the right choice here prioritizing a smooth 60fps and those gorgeous materials over a higher resolution. Honestly, if you hadn't told me it was 675p-576p I wouldn't have known, it's still one of the most beautiful games I've ever laid eyes on.

This is a new graphical high water mark for Unreal 4 on the platform, and it will be interesting to see how other UE4 Switch games later this year like Dragon Quest 11, Mortal Kombat 11, Claybook, and Hellblade shape up. The engine could really be starting to come into its own on the Switch.



curl-6 said:

Like I always say, quality of pixels > quantity of pixels.

Is that figurative or are you being literal?