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Mr Puggsly said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

I keep seeing comments like "ohhh this is just this sorta game" or "da critics are just totally out of whack with this, they just don't understand". 

Critics have praised many games that do something similar to Crackdown. Many games have gotten a score when they were "just trying to achieve what Crackdown wanted to achieve". To imply that people must be looking for a deeper alternative or fundamentally don't understand the point of the game because it got a negative metacritic score is silly. You can make a game who's goal is to make things go boom boom and bang bang, and it can still be not bad. Or it can still be received positively. Shocking, I know. 

Disagreeing with critics is fine, but let's not pretend like good simple fun is just too abstract a concept for them. That's disingenuous. They may be pretentious, but they aren't that pretentious. I'm willing to admit that how "worthy" a game is of a high score is a genuine problem with many game reviews, but it's not really the case with Crackdown. It's just a game which is divisive and which many people think is either really good, really bad or really mediocre. That's all there is to say about it really. 

Also, it's funny to see the sentiment come out that "not every game is for everyone/needs to be tailor made for everyone" ...... until the 90+ meta game gets a "troll" review that states a different opinion  

Try watching the Digital Foundry video about this game.

That way you can see what a person that enjoys it thinks, then compare that to the critics that seem to hate every aspect of this game.

So basically your telling him to watch a video that confirms your bias...nice. 



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iceland said:
Lol this thread

1. I have said multiple times that MS’s output this gen was bad, not sure why people seem to think the opposite

2. I’m saying MS’s first party has went through a lot of changes in the last year so idk how it’s worrying for next gen when we haven’t even seen what they can do.

There’s a lot of concern trolling here, almost no one expected this to turn out good but please continue. Imagine being so invested in a console you don’t like, can’t relate. Lol

I've been poking my head into this thread to see how things are going since the beginning and all I've seen from you is a series of excuses and defenses for Microsoft. I've not engaged with you because using the F-word is against the rules but you clearly have a bias in favour of Microsoft. This is fine, but don't act like you don't, and don't be shocked when people call you out on it. 

I confess I'm biased towards Sony/Nintendo. I'm a total F-word for them and despite once liking Microsoft I've lost all faith in them. I have no problem admitting I'm more likely to be critical of Microsoft for their mistakes, but let's be honest, they give me a lot to criticize.

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goopy20 said:
Man it must suck to be a Xbox fan nowadays. Sony keeps nailing it with their exclusives, while MS keeps producing these piles of steaming poo.

This is a common take at various vidya game places and I don’t really get it. If you’re a fan of something, there’s a reason you’re a fan. What you’re doing here is basically going up to an NBA fan and saying “man it must suck to watch this sport, the NFL makes way more money and gets much better ratings!”. Sure, it might be true, but for most fans, it’s irrelevant. 

Im an Xbox fan because I love the controller, the UI, XBL is way better than PSN imho, and when it comes to the exclusives, I prefer more of what Microsoft offers. Like the vast majority of gamers, most of my gaming is done on multiplats. Sure, Sony has a great shooter franchise in Uncharted. Idc, tried em all, not a fan. God of War seems good from what I played, I’ll get back to it someday, never tried it on my Pro. If you take the best PS4 games Sony has made or paid to be made, I’d still take the Xbox controller and Horizon and XBL, because those Sony games just don’t appeal to me much, especially now that they’re injecting Naughty Dogs formula into seemingly all of their games.

Pretty amazing that you only got a warning for that post.



LudicrousSpeed said:
goopy20 said:
Man it must suck to be a Xbox fan nowadays. Sony keeps nailing it with their exclusives, while MS keeps producing these piles of steaming poo.

This is a common take at various vidya game places and I don’t really get it. If you’re a fan of something, there’s a reason you’re a fan. What you’re doing here is basically going up to an NBA fan and saying “man it must suck to watch this sport, the NFL makes way more money and gets much better ratings!”. Sure, it might be true, but for most fans, it’s irrelevant. 

Im an Xbox fan because I love the controller, the UI, XBL is way better than PSN imho, and when it comes to the exclusives, I prefer more of what Microsoft offers. Like the vast majority of gamers, most of my gaming is done on multiplats.

So much this.

I game on Xbox because for me it's simply the best console with the best games. I've got plenty of friends who game on Playstation so I've played some of the exclusives but not a single one I'd want to play over Gears of War or Sea of Thieves for example. There's nothing stopping me from walking into a store and buying a PS4 but I just don't need/want one.

On topic of Crackdown 3, downloaded it from game pass this morning but haven't tried it yet. I just hope it's the kind of mindless, fun game that will heal my post-RDR2-depression.



KiigelHeart said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

This is a common take at various vidya game places and I don’t really get it. If you’re a fan of something, there’s a reason you’re a fan. What you’re doing here is basically going up to an NBA fan and saying “man it must suck to watch this sport, the NFL makes way more money and gets much better ratings!”. Sure, it might be true, but for most fans, it’s irrelevant. 

Im an Xbox fan because I love the controller, the UI, XBL is way better than PSN imho, and when it comes to the exclusives, I prefer more of what Microsoft offers. Like the vast majority of gamers, most of my gaming is done on multiplats.

So much this.

I game on Xbox because for me it's simply the best console with the best games. I've got plenty of friends who game on Playstation so I've played some of the exclusives but not a single one I'd want to play over Gears of War or Sea of Thieves for example. There's nothing stopping me from walking into a store and buying a PS4 but I just don't need/want one.

On topic of Crackdown 3, downloaded it from game pass this morning but haven't tried it yet. I just hope it's the kind of mindless, fun game that will heal my post-RDR2-depression.

And thats cool, but ultimately you guys are the minority not the majority. Many Xbox fans left xbox after the XBO debacle launch... and to be fair the last few years of the 360 were pretty bad in terms of content as well. Its not been good news for MS. Sony have been kicking butt in terms of games since mid of the PS3, and except at the launch of the consoles they seem to be able to ramp up pretty well.

Now having said that, Crackdown is one of the last of the early XBO titles that were announced and its obviously been through development hell, so perhaps a bad development and it being not that great isn't all unexpected. The key is that they've got it launched out of the way and can now look forward towards the next gen and hopefully not make the same mistakes. But if they go down the route of trying to make the console a media centre first and foremost, and forget about the games they'll lose (buying the studios suggests they've finally starting to rectify the mistakes of the past).

My only concern is that if MS suddenly won the next gen, and it was going more along the lines of games pass, what would stop them just closing down studios again and relying on third parties.



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On the topic of Microsoft cancelling this game because they knew it was going to be sub-par, I would imagine they considered it but there was just no way that was going to happen.  Not only would it have been more bad press over another cancelled game, they'd already made SUCH a big deal over this game in particular.  They'd pinned their entire "Power of the Cloud" gambit on this title.  Cutting the cord would have meant a ton of explaining.  Besides, they still need games for their service, even if they're not very good.  

Also, this "the critics just don't get it" theme a few people are running with seems kind of silly.  I'm sure the critics get it, they're just not particularly crazy about it.  Personally, after watching gameplay video, this looks like the kind of game I'd get bored with in under an hour.  It's like the superpowers game-play of Saints Row 4 but without all the other awesome stuff that made that game a blast to play.  If a game like that is a Happy Meal then a game like this would simply be an order of fires and a cup of water--for the same price.  

I can imagine why someone might like this game.  However, I can very easily see why more people would find it boring or underwhelming.  When a game simply gives you the same thing, over and over, with no real personality or substance beyond more of the exact same "mindless fun", I think a low score is justified.  Honestly, if someone gave it to me for free on PC, I probably wouldn't even download it.  



KiigelHeart said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

This is a common take at various vidya game places and I don’t really get it. If you’re a fan of something, there’s a reason you’re a fan. What you’re doing here is basically going up to an NBA fan and saying “man it must suck to watch this sport, the NFL makes way more money and gets much better ratings!”. Sure, it might be true, but for most fans, it’s irrelevant. 

Im an Xbox fan because I love the controller, the UI, XBL is way better than PSN imho, and when it comes to the exclusives, I prefer more of what Microsoft offers. Like the vast majority of gamers, most of my gaming is done on multiplats.

So much this.

I game on Xbox because for me it's simply the best console with the best games. I've got plenty of friends who game on Playstation so I've played some of the exclusives but not a single one I'd want to play over Gears of War or Sea of Thieves for example. There's nothing stopping me from walking into a store and buying a PS4 but I just don't need/want one.

On topic of Crackdown 3, downloaded it from game pass this morning but haven't tried it yet. I just hope it's the kind of mindless, fun game that will heal my post-RDR2-depression.

If no game on PS4 is better than Sea of Thieves for you then certainly PS4 isn't for you. I'll consider you similar to ludicrous. Taste is reversed compared to general gamers and reviewers.



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GoOnKid said:

The point is that critics and reviews can never dictate how much I will enjoy a game. I couldn't care less about scores. I finished Devil's Third MULTIPLE times ffs.

Yes, there are similar games with higher scores, who denied that? But still a score of 60 will never be able to make me enjoy a game for just 60%.

In my opinion gamers shouldn't rely their purchase decisions based on scores alone anyway. In these times there are plenty of opportunities to make up your own mind about liking a game or not, and if someone looks for a game like this then just go on and give it a go.

What do you mean with that last paragraph? Is this a jab?

And I APPRECIATE that point, I make it all the time and I 100% agree with it. People take critics scores way too seriously as some kind of objective judgement of what they should think. But the way you wrote your comment just seems kind of disingenuous, to be honest.

"I think this game delivers what it wants to deliver: it's just mindless unserious fun where you shoot stuff and things go boom. Not more, not less. If someone wants a deeper game that's fine, there are a lot of alternatives. Not every game must be cookie cut to please everyone."

This whole quote reads to me like a way of laying responsibility off the game. Tons of games have come out that were just mindless unserious fun and a lot of them were received much better than Crackdown. The game may "deliver" mindless unserious fun, but tons of games have delivered that better (in the opinion of critics). And that's why it's getting the scores it's getting, because even if the basic concept was achieved the baggage that surrounds the game isn't good. And I think if you asked the developers, their goal for the title wasn't to make a very basic realization of a concept which has been done before. It was to make a great product out of that, and to the critics and a lot of people that doesn't seem to be the final result. Then there's the last part where you imply that "someone" is looking for a deeper game. Critics aren't giving this game low scores because they don't fundamentally understand Crackdown, or because they expected it to be a super complex title for some reason. They just don't think it's that great of a game. A lot of fans don't even seem to like this game anyways, so again, the whole "it's not for everyone" thing doesn't really apply. If it isn't for fans or connoisseurs of the genre, who is it for? Granted, a lot of people like it as well, but that's the point. It's just a mixed result of a game, it's not a misunderstood one.

Also nah, not a jab at you, lol. That's why I didn't reply to you specifically and was replying to the thread in general. I've never seen you make a comment about troll reviews. It It IS a problem I see on this site a lot, though.

Mr Puggsly said:

Try watching the Digital Foundry video about this game.

That way you can see what a person that enjoys it thinks, then compare that to the critics that seem to hate every aspect of this game.

I don't think the game is bad myself, I haven't played it. I sure will check out Digital Foundry's video though, I was going to watch their video anyways since one of the Digital Foundry guys said the graphics were impressive. Thanks for letting me know! Didn't know it was out yet.



Whether it's fun or not, can we now agree that there is no point in using the cloud to make games 'better'. I really don't see much happening in Wrecking zone that can't be done without the cloud. The debris doesn't affect players so there is not even any reason to keep it synced or have the server calculate it all.

To make it impressive the cloud has to send a lot more data to the console, and then the console still has to process and render all that data. Most of it is time critical. You might as well run the whole game in the cloud which is where we are going to anyway :/

It looked quite laggy already on the IGN video, yet I'll wait for a better analysis from DF. The power of the cloud is the most unimpressive stuff this gen.



eva01beserk said:
flashfire926 said:

No, it's not a simulation (the horizon series). Simulators are games like Gran Turismo and Project Cars. Games like Forza Horizon and Need for Speed are more arcade racers. 

Heck, in one of the DLC's, you're doing loop de loops on hot wheels tracks:

For the last time, ITS. NOT. A. SIMULATION.

Also, just checked, and at this point in FH3's life it had sold about the same as Horizon 4. So it went up from FH2 to FH3, and stayed flat from FH3 to FH4.

FH2 was a the exeption to the rule out of 11 games, ok that destroyed my argument.

Thats great for FH4, but gamepass was not a thing back in the FH3 days. There where people who dint buy a game at full price and bought it down the line, with gamepass thats gone. I highly doubt this game will sell much more.

I think what you can say is that this is not  a 100% simulation. as the most this series varies is that you can go off road. The gamplay dosent change that much just cuz its an openworld map. But like I said before, people see forza and thats all, like any call of duty is just another call of duty.

Also, Forza Motorsport 2 the first forza on 360 is the worst selling. Your argument has literally held true a grand total of one time.

lets just wait and see how the game sells. Forza normally has good legs.

Its a racing game, just admit it isnt for you, there’s no point of shiiting on it. By tour logic, Bayonetta is a simulator of a woman doing hack and slash combat on mosters, meaning thats its a simulation.

Forza Horizon 4 brought a whole host of new features, its not the same every year. Lets stop with the troll drive/by posts please.



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