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GoOnKid said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

And I APPRECIATE that point, I make it all the time and I 100% agree with it. People take critics scores way too seriously as some kind of objective judgement of what they should think. But the way you wrote your comment just seems kind of disingenuous, to be honest.

"I think this game delivers what it wants to deliver: it's just mindless unserious fun where you shoot stuff and things go boom. Not more, not less. If someone wants a deeper game that's fine, there are a lot of alternatives. Not every game must be cookie cut to please everyone."

This whole quote reads to me like a way of laying responsibility off the game. Tons of games have come out that were just mindless unserious fun and a lot of them were received much better than Crackdown. The game may "deliver" mindless unserious fun, but tons of games have delivered that better (in the opinion of critics). And that's why it's getting the scores it's getting, because even if the basic concept was achieved the baggage that surrounds the game isn't good. And I think if you asked the developers, their goal for the title wasn't to make a very basic realization of a concept which has been done before. It was to make a great product out of that, and to the critics and a lot of people that doesn't seem to be the final result. Then there's the last part where you imply that "someone" is looking for a deeper game. Critics aren't giving this game low scores because they don't fundamentally understand Crackdown, or because they expected it to be a super complex title for some reason. They just don't think it's that great of a game. A lot of fans don't even seem to like this game anyways, so again, the whole "it's not for everyone" thing doesn't really apply. If it isn't for fans or connoisseurs of the genre, who is it for? Granted, a lot of people like it as well, but that's the point. It's just a mixed result of a game, it's not a misunderstood one.

Also nah, not a jab at you, lol. That's why I didn't reply to you specifically and was replying to the thread in general. I've never seen you make a comment about troll reviews. It It IS a problem I see on this site a lot, though.

I don't think the game is bad myself, I haven't played it. I sure will check out Digital Foundry's video though, I was going to watch their video anyways since one of the Digital Foundry guys said the graphics were impressive. Thanks for letting me know! Didn't know it was out yet.

Okay I can admit that I could have made my point clearer, that's true. I just came into this thread to pat the back of Xbox fans. I think nobody who has ever been interested in this game should be discouraged because it reviewed below average, that was my single intention.

That is a totally fine point. As one reviewer who gave 90 (and I don't think it was unfairly high of him) pointed out. Something  "If you liked Crackdown you'll like Crackdown 3". And yes a bad score shouldn't prevent you from trying a game, even more if you know what it is about and that is the type of thing you like.

KiigelHeart said: 
DonFerrari said:

If no game on PS4 is better than Sea of Thieves for you then certainly PS4 isn't for you. I'll consider you similar to ludicrous. Taste is reversed compared to general gamers and reviewers.

No, without a doubt objectively speaking games like God of War are "better" games than Sea of Thieves and rightfully get better reviews. But I'd rather play Sea of Thieves as it has been one of the most unique and fun gaming experiences. 

I wouldn't say my taste is reversed though, I like plenty of high rated games. Just not all of them. And sometimes absolutely love lower rated games like Quantum Break. I certainly prefer to find stuff that suits my taste rather than being a mr general opinion and this applies to music, movies and literature too.

No problem. I wasn't being sarcastic. You not liking what others/critics like, and liking what others don't is totally fine. You weren't saying GoW is worse than SoT, is that for you it's better, even if because you have more fun.

Understood the second paragraph as well. Yes you shouldn't like/dislike something just because of the score or others liking as well. I love things that most don't like, and also like some they like.



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oniyide said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Try watching the Digital Foundry video about this game.

That way you can see what a person that enjoys it thinks, then compare that to the critics that seem to hate every aspect of this game.

So basically your telling him to watch a video that confirms your bias...nice. 

I'm suggesting some of the reviews, like IGN's, is not even constructive criticism, barely a review, it sounds more like a guy sick of video games.

The guy at DF isn't saying its an amazing game or anything like that, I think he just has the perspective of those of us that are actually enjoying it. Its a fun action game and there isn't anything particularly wrong with it, its actually more polished than I anticipated given the development trouble.

Again, if you want to see why people actually enjoy this game try watching that video.



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Mr Puggsly said:
oniyide said:

So basically your telling him to watch a video that confirms your bias...nice. 

I'm suggesting some of the reviews, like IGN's, is not even constructive criticism, barely a review, it sounds more like a guy sick of video games.

The guy at DF isn't saying its an amazing game or anything like that, I think he just has the perspective of those of us that are actually enjoying it. Its a fun action game and there isn't anything particularly wrong with it, its actually more polished than I anticipated given the development trouble.

Again, if you want to see why people actually enjoy this game try watching that video.

He has a perspective you agree with. Which is fine, but let's call it what it is. And IGN has been meh with reviews in general. 



Well I must say, I played the game last night... its umm.. actually not as bad as many make it out to be. Its actually quite addictive and fun in a old school way. Its not amazing or great but its definitely not bad. The MP mode I struggled to get a good connection due to my poor internet and the cloud physics really push it to its limits. I do enjoy the physics in the MP mode and hoping its the building blocks for future games as devs get better at using the Cloud. Game probably sits around a 7/10 for me. I would easily recommend it to anyone who enjoyed the original games. Its actually refreshing to play a game that's not trying to be like every other game. Also the visuals on a 4k TV look pretty good, all the hate saying this game looks like trash, its one of those games you need to actually see for yourself.

For those who want a honest look and opinion on the game than I recommend watching DF analysis which I linked below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lks6E81EWE&t=8s

Terry Crew's acting alone in the game is worth a check out. 

Last edited by Azzanation - on 15 February 2019

pokoko said:

On the topic of Microsoft cancelling this game because they knew it was going to be sub-par, I would imagine they considered it but there was just no way that was going to happen.  Not only would it have been more bad press over another cancelled game, they'd already made SUCH a big deal over this game in particular.  They'd pinned their entire "Power of the Cloud" gambit on this title.  Cutting the cord would have meant a ton of explaining.  Besides, they still need games for their service, even if they're not very good.  

Also, this "the critics just don't get it" theme a few people are running with seems kind of silly.  I'm sure the critics get it, they're just not particularly crazy about it.  Personally, after watching gameplay video, this looks like the kind of game I'd get bored with in under an hour.  It's like the superpowers game-play of Saints Row 4 but without all the other awesome stuff that made that game a blast to play.  If a game like that is a Happy Meal then a game like this would simply be an order of fires and a cup of water--for the same price.  

I can imagine why someone might like this game.  However, I can very easily see why more people would find it boring or underwhelming.  When a game simply gives you the same thing, over and over, with no real personality or substance beyond more of the exact same "mindless fun", I think a low score is justified.  Honestly, if someone gave it to me for free on PC, I probably wouldn't even download it.  

Well MS can't just focus on what the critics enjoy per se. I mean Sea of Thieves has apparently become a big hit in spite of the critics.

I question if MS anticipated Crackdown 3 would get reviews this bad, because I genuinely feel it delivers what Crackdown fans wanted. Perhaps that's why MS gave out Crackdown 1 multiple times, just to tell people they're doing more of that for the most part.

I mean I understand why games like Recore or Lucky's Tale didn't review well. Although, when a game Lucky's Tale reviews better than Crackdown 3, well I begin to feel reviews just don't matter for this game.



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oniyide said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I'm suggesting some of the reviews, like IGN's, is not even constructive criticism, barely a review, it sounds more like a guy sick of video games.

The guy at DF isn't saying its an amazing game or anything like that, I think he just has the perspective of those of us that are actually enjoying it. Its a fun action game and there isn't anything particularly wrong with it, its actually more polished than I anticipated given the development trouble.

Again, if you want to see why people actually enjoy this game try watching that video.

He has a perspective you agree with. Which is fine, but let's call it what it is. And IGN has been meh with reviews in general. 

I'm saying if people are willing to take the low scoring reviews as an indication this game shouldn't exist, "it should have been cancelled." I am suggesting try watching the DF video not solely because I agree with it, but its not the disaster some are perceiving.



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Azzanation said:

Well I must say, I played the game last night... its umm.. actually not as bad as many make it out to be. Its actually quite addictive and fun in a old school way. Its not amazing or great but its definitely not bad. The MP mode I struggled to get a good connection due to my poor internet and the cloud physics really push it to its limits. I do enjoy the physics in the MP mode and hoping its the building blocks for future games as devs get better at using the Cloud. Game probably sits around a 7/10 for me. I would easily recommend it to anyone who enjoyed the original games. Its actually refreshing to play a game that's not trying to be like every other game. Also the visuals on a 4k TV look pretty good, all the hate saying this game looks like trash, its one of those games you need to actually see for yourself.

For those who want a honest look and opinion on the game than I recommend watching DF analysis which I linked below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lks6E81EWE&t=8s

Terry Crew's acting alone in the game is worth a check out. 

I get the impression if you want to make a game fun in an "old school way" it has to be in 8 - 16 bit graphics. Otherwise it will get attacked for not pushing the genre forward.

I had fun with this game last night, played a few hours. Its jumping in the front of game I'm playing at the moment.



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I kind of wonder if the fact that this game was developed by different divisions or studios for different parts of the game fucked it up. We know that may have been the reason Metroid Prime 4's development was rocky, and that resulted in that version being cancelled and development re-starting from the ground up. Plus I believe Gears Judgment had it's campaign developed by Epic Games, but it's multiplayer developed by People Can Fly, and that game was received as rocky.

For what it's worth, this game is actually very beautiful in singleplayer. I might be mistaken but it seems to me like the campaign is a lot more detailed than multiplayer. So I don't really think the whole "it's such an ugly looking game" really applies to that portion of the game.

Also, the Digital Foundry video was nice.



GoOnKid said:

The point is that critics and reviews can never dictate how much I will enjoy a game. I couldn't care less about scores. I finished Devil's Third MULTIPLE times ffs.

Yes, there are similar games with higher scores, who denied that? But still a score of 60 will never be able to make me enjoy a game for just 60%.

In my opinion gamers shouldn't rely their purchase decisions based on scores alone anyway. In these times there are plenty of opportunities to make up your own mind about liking a game or not, and if someone looks for a game like this then just go on and give it a go.

I agree that people shouldn't let critic scores be the sole reason why they buy or pass on a game. I have enjoyed many games with mixed reviews and disliked many with rave reviews. It all comes down to preferences.

With that said, I think review scores are important for a developer/publishers reputation and its one of the reasons (not only reason, but a big one) that has prevented XBO from getting out of its 7-8 million/year sales pace.

Like the list I provided a few posts back showed, outside of Halo/Gears/Forza, most of their published exclusives fall in the 50-74% range which is considered mixed-average. That doesnt mean those games are bad or cant be enjoyed but from a consumer perspective it doesnt look good when Nintendo/Sony are cranking out exclusive games at a faster pace and with better critical reception.

 

Microsoft doesnt need to make massive changes to fix this, games that score in the 50-74% range usually do some things very well and have alot of potential but a few noticeable flaws prevent them from reaching that next level. With a few tweaks to their development process you could see them consistently cranking out 75-89% (good-great) rated games instead of 50-74% (mixed-average).

If they can pull that off next generation than their reputation as a developer/publisher will improve alot in my opinion.



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Mr Puggsly said:

I get the impression if you want to make a game fun in an "old school way" it has to be in 8 - 16 bit graphics. Otherwise it will get attacked for not pushing the genre forward.

I had fun with this game last night, played a few hours. Its jumping in the front of game I'm playing at the moment.

Come on, you can't get more old school than Tetris, and Tetris effect sits at 89.
Doom 2016 sits at 85-87.
Nex Machina 88.
Cuphead 88.

Old school doesn't have to be 8-16 bit and still gets reviewed well when done right.