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For me it does not really matter what people eat as long as there is a minimal amount of suffering involved, meat is meat and if we take our own egoistic emotions out of it we should see that it should not be worse if a dog is killed for meat over a rabbit or cow.

And really you should also wonder why some poachers kill/catch animals like maybe they need some money to provide food for their family and what lives are most worthy to you,human or animal lives?The source problem is mostly poverty in the area affected but hey lets skip those people and make them criminals for wanting food for their kids.



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I just saw a really beautiful video. So I decided to translate it and post it.

They say the perfection of humanity already exists. It's only a matter of revealing what's already there.

https://youtu.be/1RIEgMdRDgM



VAMatt said:
Rab said:

Just because it has been true for a short time doesn't mean it will stay true, antibiotics once readily available, could now be unusable over the next decades leaving Humans again vulnerable to simple infections our ancestors died from, all this gain and loss happening in roughly 100 years, a drop in time, our food crops are constantly injected with wild genes to improve survivability of those crops, if we have no more wild varieties our very food supply is at risk over coming 100 years, taking even bees for granted has been a huge threat, bees need a healthy wild landscape to thrive, which includes many species not directly seen as beneficial to us       

Progress has been true forever, not for a short time.  

Antibiotics....well, there is certainly some risk there, but that's all it is - risk.  There is no certainty that were fucked, or even close to it.  

Crops - I don't even know what you're talking about.  Crop yields, resistance to drought, resistance to pests, and just about everything else having to do with the food supply is moving in a positive direction.

Bees - there simply isn't a problem.  Bee populations are experiencing massive growth.  There was an 18 month scare, which appears to have been significantly overblown.  

UN: Growing threat to food from decline in biodiversity - BBC Science (22 February 2019)

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47308235 



I feel most sorry for the Dodo birds. It would have been amazing to have them nowadays.



Eat, bark, love.

Technically, we don't suck as a species, we're just supremely overpowered lol

It's very, very hard to get everyone to adopt and play by the rules to protect these species when said rules are generally very expensive for people already struggling for money and/or mean you won't have enough farmland. It might be easy for someone like me sitting comfortably in Florida to be outraged that someone shot a rhino for its horn, but for someone who is absolutely poverty stricken and knows said horn could fetch as much as a decade's income in one go... I don't think it requires a lot of rationalizing, especially when you're hungry.

We're not a "bad" species in my opinion, just one that's driven to such actions by the laws of nature itself. Hopefully we can help protect as many of these other species as possible until we transition into a world of unlimited energy that could see living standards globally rising to something akin to the west, which is probably still a long way off. :



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Rab said:

UN: Growing threat to food from decline in biodiversity - BBC Science (
22 February 2019)


https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47308235 

The link is broken.

Based on the headline though, I can already tell you what my rebuttal is likely to be: humans overcome threats all the time. We are simply much better able to produce food, with much, much fewer resources now, compared to literally anytime in our history. We get better at it every single day.  

We certainly can't ignore problems.  But, I have absolute faith in humanity's ability to overcome anything of this sort.  With that in mind, in the big picture, I tend to disagree that many things, like what this article is probably talking about, the bee problem you mentioned previously, and the like are truly problems at all. They're simply changes, learning experiences, and opportunities for humans to keep the wheels of progress turning