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I've been in Canada for a year and a half now. Since it's Montreal and I'm "brown", I think I'm clear of the race wars that the minority of white and black people engage in, with the key word being minority. And I guess the people here are more mature than to assume "brown" people are terrorists, I'm free from that as well.
The only thing I find amusing is how people decide to contest with each other with their tribalism. If it's not black, white, brown or yellow(who chose that one for east Asians?), then it's English be french, or Irish Vs British, or Indian Vs Pakistani, or even smaller, and I'm sure most here won't get it, Baloch Vs Punjabi, or Notkani Vs Qaisrani.
People love to create groups and make sweeping overgeneralizations based on it. The problem is when you start basing merit or worth on it or start taking it seriously.
Like someone seriously believing all white people are privelleged and hate minorities. Or someone else thinking all black people are criminals and thugs.
The problem of being over sensitive might be a problem with an over sensitive person, or they might've just dealt with a lot of shit that day and are angry and go to the worst conclusions. The problem is you can't judge people based on anecdotal evidence and chance encounters. The best you can do is not get mad, maybe even smile or laugh about it and move on with your day. Or you CNA just clear the misunderstanding up and if they still don't believe it, then they might have some problem but again, you can't really do anything about it.
It is an interesting phenomena to observe in humans though.



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KLXVER said:

When I worked at Gamestop some years ago, two black men asked to see a copy of Batman Begins. I looked through the drawer where we keep it, grabbed and gave them what I thought was Batman...turned out it was a game called Black. That was a bit awkward. Of all the games I could have wrongly grabbed...

lol, this feels like out of a sitcom



SpokenTruth said:
omarct said:

Well this is kinda of what I was getting at. This sort of stuff happens often to blacks because of racism plus the thug culture and bad image that they have built over the years. Yet I feel like its gotten to the point where they are seen "ghosts" where there aren't any. The main reason I brought this topic up was from watching a youtube video where this very nice looking black youth commented how he was treated like a n**** that morning by a white couple walking down the street. How the woman held her purse closer and the guy starting walking behind her when they passed him. I couldnt help but think back to my own experiences and think that it is completely normal for a guy to walk behind his lady, specially if she has a really nice butt, I do it all the time. I want to trust the guy and believe his racist experience but another part of me is thinking maybe this guy is making racism out of everything.

My point is that it seems racism has consumed some minorities to the point where they link it with every part of their life. And I feel like a lot of those instances it is all up in their heads.

On a side note I have had cops pull out guns on me for putting my hands in my pocket to turn off my Ipod, not something you want to experience I will say. I was around 15 years old when it happened.

Have you ever asked yourself why they suspected racism?  Perhaps it's because it usually is.  So forgive them if they made a bad presumption.  Majorities have given them a reason to be suspicious of it.  You would too if you were one of them.

So it's not so much projected racism but presumed racism.

This is my point, you say it usually is, I say it is not that often. Does it happen? Yes of course. But not nearly as much as they believe. If you ask one of these minorities pretty much everything that happens to them is because of racism. That white dude doesnt like me? He must be racist. That girl doesnt want to go out with me? She is probably a little racist, etc.....  I feel like this is a very harmful way to look at the world. It feels like they are putting themselves down all the time.



Eagle367 said:
yellow(who chose that one for east Asians?),

Chinese people chose it. They refer to themselves as "yellow people".

Although they look the same colour as "white" (by that I mean beige because there aren't any people that are actually white) people  to me.



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omarct said:
SpokenTruth said:

Have you ever asked yourself why they suspected racism?  Perhaps it's because it usually is.  So forgive them if they made a bad presumption.  Majorities have given them a reason to be suspicious of it.  You would too if you were one of them.

So it's not so much projected racism but presumed racism.

This is my point, you say it usually is, I say it is not that often. Does it happen? Yes of course. But not nearly as much as they believe. If you ask one of these minorities pretty much everything that happens to them is because of racism. That white dude doesnt like me? He must be racist. That girl doesnt want to go out with me? She is probably a little racist, etc.....  I feel like this is a very harmful way to look at the world. It feels like they are putting themselves down all the time.

But you're speculating this.  How have you derived this conclusion on what they think?



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I can't say "projection," because I'm not a mind-reader and don't know if they are themselves racist, but I was once accused of being a racist by a customer. Our return policy stipulates that if a customer returns any merchandise that does not have a receipt, then they can only get store credit. Well, last year I had one customer (an African-American lady that looked to be in her 30s or 40s) that brought in a massive pile of returns that were split across four receipts. Well, out of this massive pile of merchandise, maybe 3 or 4 items were not on any of the receipts. We double- and triple-checked. When I told her that those items weren't on the receipts and that she could either A) see if she can find another receipt that they may be on, or B) she could still get store credit, she quickly became absolutely irate. She wasn't having any of it. I guess she felt the return policy didn't apply to her or that we were out to screw her or something. I switched spots with my assistant manage, who finished the transaction and sent her on her way.

Well, she called the next day and accused me of being racist toward her. Now, everyone at work knew that was total bullshit, because they know I'm always professional at work, and besides, my assistant manager was up at the front end with me when she brought in those returns (because returns require manager approval, and because he had to open another register to contend with other customers in line). Nothing ever came of it, of course, because we all knew she was full of shit. I've worked retail for well over a decade, and I've had my fair share of complete assholes as customers before, but until she came along I've never had anyone call me a racist.

But in general, I can see how most minorities might feel that any real or perceived mistreatment they receive at the hands of whites is because of racism. There is indisputable history of racism in this country, and it didn't go away when the Civil Rights Act was passed 50 years ago. That shit gets passed down generation to generation, and there are still legitimately racist white people out there that think non-whites are their inferiors. And I'm not just talking about the alt-right assholes on the internet and the white nationalists on parade. Racist attitudes towards black people was the norm here in the South, and those in my parents' and grandparents' generations grew up during Jim Crow. And now many people in my own generation, 30-something Gen X-ers and older Millennials spewing the same racist garbage (I've frequently heard Black History Month referred to as "National N***er Month," as well as the standard disapproval towards interracial relationships). So, considering that many white people still look at them as criminals, parasites, and biological inferiors, maybe minorities are properly paranoid and just assume any white person giving them guff or even not respecting their personal space is a racist prick. Now, some of them are undoubtedly racist themselves, and play the "race card" just to turn the tables on anyone they can. But I doubt most accusations of "racism" are projection.



Shadow1980 said:
I can't say "projection," because I'm not a mind-reader and don't know if they are themselves racist, but I was once accused of being a racist by a customer. Our return policy stipulates that if a customer returns any merchandise that does not have a receipt, then they can only get store credit. Well, last year I had one customer (an African-American lady that looked to be in her 30s or 40s) that brought in a massive pile of returns that were split across four receipts. Well, out of this massive pile of merchandise, maybe 3 or 4 items were not on any of the receipts. We double- and triple-checked. When I told her that those items weren't on the receipts and that she could either A) see if she can find another receipt that they may be on, or B) she could still get store credit, she quickly became absolutely irate. She wasn't having any of it. I guess she felt the return policy didn't apply to her or that we were out to screw her or something. I switched spots with my assistant manage, who finished the transaction and sent her on her way.

Well, she called the next day and accused me of being racist toward her. Now, everyone at work knew that was total bullshit, because they know I'm always professional at work, and besides, my assistant manager was up at the front end with me when she brought in those returns (because returns require manager approval, and because he had to open another register to contend with other customers in line). Nothing ever came of it, of course, because we all knew she was full of shit. I've worked retail for well over a decade, and I've had my fair share of complete assholes as customers before, but until she came along I've never had anyone call me a racist.

But in general, I can see how most minorities might feel that any real or perceived mistreatment they receive at the hands of whites is because of racism. There is indisputable history of racism in this country, and it didn't go away when the Civil Rights Act was passed 50 years ago. That shit gets passed down generation to generation, and there are still legitimately racist white people out there that think non-whites are their inferiors. And I'm not just talking about the alt-right assholes on the internet and the white nationalists on parade. Racist attitudes towards black people was the norm here in the South, and those in my parents' and grandparents' generations grew up during Jim Crow. And now many people in my own generation, 30-something Gen X-ers and older Millennials spewing the same racist garbage (I've frequently heard Black History Month referred to as "National N***er Month," as well as the standard disapproval towards interracial relationships). So, considering that many white people still look at them as criminals, parasites, and biological inferiors, maybe minorities are properly paranoid and just assume any white person giving them guff or even not respecting their personal space is a racist prick. Now, some of them are undoubtedly racist themselves, and play the "race card" just to turn the tables on anyone they can. But I doubt most accusations of "racism" are projection.

Very well said.



This is more likely to happen in a violent, dangerous country like the USA that has tens of thousands of unlawful deaths every year at the hands of drug fuelled, gun toting gang members. In a nice peaceful country in Europe: Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Italy, Spain, France, etc this is unlikely to happen because the Europeans are more laid back easy going friendly people that are more accepting of people of diverse backgrounds. Europe shows the world how to live in peace and get along better. Asian nations, South America nations, Australia/New Zealand have much lower crime rates then the USA and embrace multiculturalism.



Shadow1980 said:
I can't say "projection," because I'm not a mind-reader and don't know if they are themselves racist, but I was once accused of being a racist by a customer. Our return policy stipulates that if a customer returns any merchandise that does not have a receipt, then they can only get store credit. Well, last year I had one customer (an African-American lady that looked to be in her 30s or 40s) that brought in a massive pile of returns that were split across four receipts. Well, out of this massive pile of merchandise, maybe 3 or 4 items were not on any of the receipts. We double- and triple-checked. When I told her that those items weren't on the receipts and that she could either A) see if she can find another receipt that they may be on, or B) she could still get store credit, she quickly became absolutely irate. She wasn't having any of it. I guess she felt the return policy didn't apply to her or that we were out to screw her or something. I switched spots with my assistant manage, who finished the transaction and sent her on her way.

Well, she called the next day and accused me of being racist toward her. Now, everyone at work knew that was total bullshit, because they know I'm always professional at work, and besides, my assistant manager was up at the front end with me when she brought in those returns (because returns require manager approval, and because he had to open another register to contend with other customers in line). Nothing ever came of it, of course, because we all knew she was full of shit. I've worked retail for well over a decade, and I've had my fair share of complete assholes as customers before, but until she came along I've never had anyone call me a racist.

But in general, I can see how most minorities might feel that any real or perceived mistreatment they receive at the hands of whites is because of racism. There is indisputable history of racism in this country, and it didn't go away when the Civil Rights Act was passed 50 years ago. That shit gets passed down generation to generation, and there are still legitimately racist white people out there that think non-whites are their inferiors. And I'm not just talking about the alt-right assholes on the internet and the white nationalists on parade. Racist attitudes towards black people was the norm here in the South, and those in my parents' and grandparents' generations grew up during Jim Crow. And now many people in my own generation, 30-something Gen X-ers and older Millennials spewing the same racist garbage (I've frequently heard Black History Month referred to as "National N***er Month," as well as the standard disapproval towards interracial relationships). So, considering that many white people still look at them as criminals, parasites, and biological inferiors, maybe minorities are properly paranoid and just assume any white person giving them guff or even not respecting their personal space is a racist prick. Now, some of them are undoubtedly racist themselves, and play the "race card" just to turn the tables on anyone they can. But I doubt most accusations of "racism" are projection.

Projection was the wrong choice of words, many here are thrown off by it. What I meant was that people may see others as racists because they have had bad experiences before, so they "project" or overlap these experiences onto other similar situations. For example the lady that thought I was following her because I thought she was going to steal or something, when in reality I  just happened to walk in the same direction as her, most likely she had an experience before where it happened to her or maybe she saw it on tv or something, so now she is a little paranoid and thinks anyone that walks near her in the store is undercover or watching her because she is black and therefore a thief or something. She is projecting her past experiences or passed down knowledge of racism towards everyone around her.

Again the thing I am trying to point is that this sort of mentality where they are always thinking about their skin color and race and what others think of them etc.... Its a harmful mentality in my opinion. Although I know that its hard to not keep that sort of stuff in mind, but I feel likes its become much too extreme in the United States. Anyways I am not trying to fix anything, just wanted to share some thoughts.



danasider said:

Sounds like you have a problem with maintaining personal space. Not saying you're racist, but it sounds like these people wouldn't jump to conclusions had you respected boundaries pretty commonly put in place by society.

Is this a new trend on this site? People b*tching and moaning over others when they are the real problems in these social situations.

Or maybe it is you assuming knowing the situations of those people better than themselves, the situations the OP described gave us enough information on how he did nothing disrespective for social boundaries.