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Miyamotoo said:
Dr.Vita said:
But Nintendo sold 85M+ consoles with the 3DS and the Wii U combined. What is the reason to say that the Switch ended the "dark ages of Nintendo"? Do you think the Switch will top 85M+?

Is this serious post? Switch is selling great, Nintendo games are selling great on Switch and Nintendo again making huge profit (much bigger than in period of 3DS+WiiU). I don't see how anyone with little sense can call that "dark age for Nintendo".

And yes, Switch will probably top 85m+, but its not like Switch needs to sell so much that we could say that "dark ages" for Nintendo are over.

Where is your problem? I never said that this is a dark age for Nintendo (op used the term) and I never denied the profit of the Switch. I don't know how it compares to 3DS and Wii U but I doubtthat it is "much bigger profit" than the 3DS and Wii U. Switch might top 85M, but we don't know that yet. Imo if you want to say that Switch overcame the dark ages for Nintendo it would have to be much more profitable for Nintendo than 3DS and Wii U combined.



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Dr.Vita said:
Miyamotoo said:

Is this serious post? Switch is selling great, Nintendo games are selling great on Switch and Nintendo again making huge profit (much bigger than in period of 3DS+WiiU). I don't see how anyone with little sense can call that "dark age for Nintendo".

And yes, Switch will probably top 85m+, but its not like Switch needs to sell so much that we could say that "dark ages" for Nintendo are over.

Where is your problem? I never said that this is a dark age for Nintendo (op used the term) and I never denied the profit of the Switch.

I don't know how it compares to 3DS and Wii U but I doubtthat it is "much bigger profit" than the 3DS and Wii U. Switch might top 85M, but we don't know that yet. Imo if you want to say that Switch overcame the dark ages for Nintendo it would have to be much more profitable for Nintendo than 3DS and Wii U combined.

My problem? Your post "But Nintendo sold 85M+ consoles with the 3DS and the Wii U combined. What is the reason to say that the Switch ended the "dark ages of Nintendo"? Do you think the Switch will top 85M+?". You post clearly imply that you think that even is "dark age for Nintendo" you doubt that Switch is ending dark age for Nintendo, I gave you clear facts ( Switch is selling great, Nintendo games are selling great on Switch and Nintendo again making huge profit) why Nintendo with Switch isnt in dark age in any case.

You can doubt whatever you want, I talking about clear facts. But thats a point Switch is already making much bigger profit for Nintendo than 3DS and Wii U did combined. Also, curently 80m is like minimum that Switch will hit, even 100m+ is possible at end.

 

Nintendo sees best profits for nine years

https://www.pcr-online.biz/vendors/nintendo-sees-best-profits-for-nine-years



Miyamotoo said:
Dr.Vita said:

Where is your problem? I never said that this is a dark age for Nintendo (op used the term) and I never denied the profit of the Switch.

I don't know how it compares to 3DS and Wii U but I doubtthat it is "much bigger profit" than the 3DS and Wii U. Switch might top 85M, but we don't know that yet. Imo if you want to say that Switch overcame the dark ages for Nintendo it would have to be much more profitable for Nintendo than 3DS and Wii U combined.

My problem? Your post "But Nintendo sold 85M+ consoles with the 3DS and the Wii U combined. What is the reason to say that the Switch ended the "dark ages of Nintendo"? Do you think the Switch will top 85M+?". You post clearly imply that you think that even is "dark age for Nintendo" you doubt that Switch is ending dark age for Nintendo, I gave you clear facts ( Switch is selling great, Nintendo games are selling great on Switch and Nintendo again making huge profit) why Nintendo with Switch isnt in dark age in any case.

You can doubt whatever you want, I talking about clear facts. But thats a point Switch is already making much bigger profit for Nintendo than 3DS and Wii U did combined. Also, curently 80m is like minimum that Switch will hit, even 100m+ is possible at end.

 

Nintendo sees best profits for nine years

https://www.pcr-online.biz/vendors/nintendo-sees-best-profits-for-nine-years

Great Profit, that's it. Total hardware numbers don't matter, but profits matters. 



bigtakilla said:
Agente42 said:

 

Rol has already said basically what he should. Just want to say that it is important to note Nintendo in 2010 and 2011 that almost abandoned the Wii, the video game was dependent on Metroid Other M and Skyward Sword, which are not even a good version of their respective franchises. At the end of the revolution that was the generation, Nintendo stopped releasing games to stationary console to focus on 3DS and this also contributed to the later period. The couch arcades games that were at the heart of the Wii system were abandoned by games more like Gamecube games, like Other M and Skyward Sword, so the console had low sales as had the Gamecube.

They released Xenoblade Chronicles and The Last Story worldwide in 2010-2011, and they were relatively huge games and XC is critically speaking the best in the series. Pandora Tower which admittedly was a lower budgeted game than the other 2 was still a very enjoyable game in its own right released. They also had Mario Galaxy 2, Donkey Kong Country Returns, and No More Heroes 2.

2010 and 2011 easily beat out 2008 and 2009 as far as quality games (well depends on how mush you like Smash Brawl and Mario Kart Wii) at least in number of games released, it was an uptick.

 

Last I'd also like to mention Skyward Sword and Other M were solid games in their own right. Arguably not the best in their series which is a matter of opinion, but far from bad games. I mean correct me if I'm wrong but weren't their more main dungeons in Skyward Sword than in BOTW? 

 

Xenoblade is not a system seller. The Last Story is also not a system seller. The two were released after a long time, in a limited way. The Zelda and Wii Metroid are the games of their respective franchises that have less appeal to the public, despite the large installed base, did not sell well. The good pace that started in 2010 came from New Super Mario Bros. Wii, Donkey Kong, Wii Fit and the Mario Bros. Collection. All couch arcade games, the strogest pillar of the Wii.



Agente42 said:
bigtakilla said:

They released Xenoblade Chronicles and The Last Story worldwide in 2010-2011, and they were relatively huge games and XC is critically speaking the best in the series. Pandora Tower which admittedly was a lower budgeted game than the other 2 was still a very enjoyable game in its own right released. They also had Mario Galaxy 2, Donkey Kong Country Returns, and No More Heroes 2.

2010 and 2011 easily beat out 2008 and 2009 as far as quality games (well depends on how mush you like Smash Brawl and Mario Kart Wii) at least in number of games released, it was an uptick.

 

Last I'd also like to mention Skyward Sword and Other M were solid games in their own right. Arguably not the best in their series which is a matter of opinion, but far from bad games. I mean correct me if I'm wrong but weren't their more main dungeons in Skyward Sword than in BOTW? 

 

Xenoblade is not a system seller. The Last Story is also not a system seller. The two were released after a long time, in a limited way. The Zelda and Wii Metroid are the games of their respective franchises that have less appeal to the public, despite the large installed base, did not sell well. The good pace that started in 2010 came from New Super Mario Bros. Wii, Donkey Kong, Wii Fit and the Mario Bros. Collection. All couch arcade games, the strogest pillar of the Wii.

Skyward Sword is though, and Xenoblade is gaining popularity with every title, don't count that out. As far as last story, a system seller it may not be but you can't deny the importance of a mystwalker jrpg.

 

I would also argue that Xenoblade and Splatoon are two of the most important new IPs of basically (we're a year  short of 2 decades since Smash was a new Ip) the last two decades.

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Dr.Vita said:
Shiken said:

So are you implying that unless the PS4 can surpass the combined sales of the PS2 and PSP, it is a failure?

 

The PS3 plus VITA sales are relevant to WiiU plus 3DS sales, so did Sony flop in gen 8?

 

Also by your logic, the PS4 only now comes close to breaking even from last gen after five years, which by your logic, was a failure anyway.

 

I mean, if that is how success is to be measured, it should be the same across the board, correct?

Why are you insinuating me things that I never said? Did I bring anything up about Playstation?

I asked why 85M+ sold consoles should be considered as a dark age for Nintendo? And what makes the Switch end this dark age? HE considered 85M+ sold as a dark age NOT ME in his post. And I said that if 85M+ sold is a dark age what makes the release of the Switch the end of this dark age since imo it won't sell much higher than that (if it even reaches 85M).

PS4 doesn't need to outsell it's predecessors to be called a success because they are already on a very very high level (almost impossible to beat). As long as the Playstation 4 still sells strong and makes good money for Sony it's a success for them.


I misunderstood your reply then.  I apologize.



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Really, you think the Dark Ages started 2011? The Nintendo (console) Dark Ages has been around since 2001 losing most of their third party supporters and fanbase to Sony and Microsoft to the point that they're aren't considered serious competitors anymore in the core gaming scene which is a huge loss considering Nintendo started the serious console wars craze with Sega.

They got a big break in 2006 with the Wii but then Nintendo had no damn clue on how to follow up the Wii's casual market success. They tried to market the WiiU to casuals and core gamers but failed cause they cheaped out immensely on the hardware specs thinking it would be another Wii-hit wonder and with Nintendo's pride so high up their asses made it only worse to get third party support.

This Nintendo "Dark Age" is nothing recent it's as old the NintenDOOM threads and predictions.



If you consider that the dark ages, it was one of the most fun I've had with Nintendo platforms splitting between the Wii, WiiU, DS and 3DS alongside the legacy platforms I had.



    

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Snoorlax said:

Really, you think the Dark Ages started 2011? The Nintendo (console) Dark Ages has been around since 2001 losing most of their third party supporters and fanbase to Sony and Microsoft to the point that they're aren't considered serious competitors anymore in the core gaming scene which is a huge loss considering Nintendo started the serious console wars craze with Sega.

They got a big break in 2006 with the Wii but then Nintendo had no damn clue on how to follow up the Wii's casual market success. They tried to market the WiiU to casuals and core gamers but failed cause they cheaped out immensely on the hardware specs thinking it would be another Wii-hit wonder and with Nintendo's pride so high up their asses made it only worse to get third party support.

This Nintendo "Dark Age" is nothing recent it's as old the NintenDOOM threads and predictions.

It was the N64 where third parties jumped ship, so if you're going to go by that logic, your "dark age" should have started in 1996.

2001-2005 may have been a Dark Age, but 2006-2010 was the most successful period in their history.

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curl-6 said:
Snoorlax said:

Really, you think the Dark Ages started 2011? The Nintendo (console) Dark Ages has been around since 2001 losing most of their third party supporters and fanbase to Sony and Microsoft to the point that they're aren't considered serious competitors anymore in the core gaming scene which is a huge loss considering Nintendo started the serious console wars craze with Sega.

They got a big break in 2006 with the Wii but then Nintendo had no damn clue on how to follow up the Wii's casual market success. They tried to market the WiiU to casuals and core gamers but failed cause they cheaped out immensely on the hardware specs thinking it would be another Wii-hit wonder and with Nintendo's pride so high up their asses made it only worse to get third party support.

This Nintendo "Dark Age" is nothing recent it's as old the NintenDOOM threads and predictions.

It was the N64 where third parties jumped ship, so if you're going to go by that logic, your "dark age" should have started in 1996.

2001-2005 may have been a Dark Age, but 2006-2010 was the most successful period in their history.

I know that, but that was before the NintenDOOM narrative started and Nintendo was still considered a serious competitor in the console scene for next gen gaming since they mastered and set the standard for 3D games. Really during and after the GC days Nintendo consoles became that gaming company everyone knows but no one talks about in a cool sense anymore other than longtime Nintendo fans and kids i guess.

Not even in a nerdy sense like console wars, it's always been "Playstation! VS. Xbox! VS... Nintendo i guess?" ever since, speaking of Xbox, GC also lost to this newcomer and then decided to back off core gaming with the Wii for good, some will tell you that Nintendo was never about specs and horsepower but we all know that's utterbullshit. Yeah the Wii is their best performing console yet, but that's why i said they got a big break, from the bad sales even so Nintendo was still viewed as that console "your grandma plays for bowling" and it only got more embarrassing with the WiiU. Sure things are looking better with Switch  and it's a great console but in my pov Nintendo has lost their footing with consoles a long time ago and only now are they actually trying to fix and learn from their past mistakes.