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FWIW, I find it highly unlikely that a supposed Switch 2 will be able to run many PS5/XB2 games since the Switch got extremely lucky on both the CPU/GPU combination which scaled down very well compared to the home consoles. The next home consoles are featuring 8 AMD Zen 2 cores which is slated to have somewhat higher IPC than Intel's Skylake cores which was roughly ~3x (?) faster per clock compared to jaguar/cortex-A57 and will have full rate AVX/AVX2 compared to current home consoles ?

CPU is arguably going to be more troublesome for the Switch 2 rather than it's GPU ...



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Well I think switch gets different form factors first. So slim or pro model and maybe a portable only sku. Then switch 2 successor in 6 or 7 years. It will be like the Switch but more powerful and maybe s streaming service.



RaptorChrist said:


The next generation of consoles is going to aim for 4K, which works out very well for Nintendo, as it's likely that any game that's capable of running in 4K will be able to run just fine on the Switch 2's 1080p screen.

Yet, they could use the NVIDIA RTX deep learning super sampling to bring resolution to 4k post rendering. As it is a post rendering technique, it can be put on the dock. The problem is that the 4k dock would be expensive, but could be an option for those who want to pay. And also, Ninty could claim that they are also on 4K.



Aslong as there keeping with the Hybrid console method. Its a genius idea and this has made Nintendo revelalent again.



Well for me it this what I would like to see, and it is a dream lol.

- Released 2023 the earliest
- Call it Switch 2 or Something to make it clear it is a new console
- Native 1080p portable with say 8-10 hours game play (hopefully battery tech improves by release date)
- Docked mode, enhanced gfx (maybe 1440p, so the dock would need extra processing units). 4K be cool but it would cost space for storage so I am not sure it is worth it unless storage tech improves and is cheap enough.
- Call me CRAZY BUT carts big enough to hold the full game say (64gb-128gb cart + 32gb writeable memory for patches and save files). Yes I dream of the world were you can once again play your game and save file on any console like we did back in the day.
- Actual multimedia functionality day 1 (NBA, MLB, NFL, Netflix, Youtube etc)



 

 

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RaptorChrist said:

The next generation of consoles is going to aim for 4K, which works out very well for Nintendo, as it's likely that any game that's capable of running in 4K will be able to run just fine on the Switch 2's 1080p screen.

Note: I pulled these numbers off the dome, so I can't imagine they are perfectly accurate, but the point I was trying to make should make sense.

I didn't think about that before, but that totally make sense. Next gen PS5/XB2 will most likely push native 4K resolution for games, so that's good chance that Switch could run same games just at much lower resolution, for instance 1080p in portable mode and if thats not enough than at 720p. In docked mode same games at 1080p or in less demanding games 1440p with upscale to 4k.

 

fatslob-:O said: 
FWIW, I find it highly unlikely that a supposed Switch 2 will be able to run many PS5/XB2 games since the Switch got extremely lucky on both the CPU/GPU combination which scaled down very well compared to the home consoles. The next home consoles are featuring 8 AMD Zen 2 cores which is slated to have somewhat higher IPC than Intel's Skylake cores which was roughly ~3x (?) faster per clock compared to jaguar/cortex-A57 and will have full rate AVX/AVX2 compared to current home consoles ? 

CPU is arguably going to be more troublesome for the Switch 2 rather than it's GPU ...


Actually current CPU is biggest bottleneck of Switch. Of Course that PS5/XB2 will have stronger CPUs but Switch will also have much stronger CPU, I mean we already have announced ARM A76 CPU thats miles better than A57 (after A57 we have A72, A73, A75 and now A76), who knows what we will have in around 5 years period. 



Miyamotoo said:

Actually current CPU is biggest bottleneck of Switch. Of Course that PS5/XB2 will have stronger CPUs but Switch will also have much stronger CPU, I mean we already have announced ARM A76 CPU thats miles better than A57 (after A57 we have A72, A73, A75 and now A76), who knows what we will have in around 5 years period. 

In what benchmarks exactly ?  

If we use Cinebench R11.5 as example, the Snapdragon 835 which uses customized A73 cores and the i7-8850u which is a Kabylake-R chip, it's 6x faster in single threaded performance compared to the A73 in a similar form factor ... 

That's not all, the next gen consoles 8 Zen 2 cores with fullrate AVX/AVX2 (256-bit width SIMD) while the current Switch only features 3 cores with NEON (128-bit width SIMD extension) ...  

Are you sure Nintendo's next portable system will be able to keep with what is likely RyZen 3rd generation or maybe even 4th generation ? 



fatslob-:O said:
Miyamotoo said:

Actually current CPU is biggest bottleneck of Switch. Of Course that PS5/XB2 will have stronger CPUs but Switch will also have much stronger CPU, I mean we already have announced ARM A76 CPU thats miles better than A57 (after A57 we have A72, A73, A75 and now A76), who knows what we will have in around 5 years period. 

In what benchmarks exactly ?  

If we use Cinebench R11.5 as example, the Snapdragon 835 which uses customized A73 cores and the i7-8850u which is a Kabylake-R chip, it's 6x faster in single threaded performance compared to the A73 in a similar form factor ... 

That's not all, the next gen consoles 8 Zen 2 cores with fullrate AVX/AVX2 (256-bit width SIMD) while the current Switch only features 3 cores with NEON (128-bit width SIMD extension) ...  

Are you sure Nintendo's next portable system will be able to keep with what is likely RyZen 3rd generation or maybe even 4th generation ? 

Keep on mind that is for comparison for A72, and below you have some informations for A76

https://www.cnx-software.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/ARMv7_vs_ARMv8_Performance_.png

https://images.anandtech.com/doci/12785/22.PNG

 

Also you need to realise that A57 in Switch was clocked only at 1 GHz and using only 3 cores, so imagine just how about much difference we would talk if Switch would just use A76 clocked at 2GHz with more available cores than 3. But of course Nintendo will not use for Switch 5 years old CPU (assuming Switch will be launched in 2023.) and they will use in worst case around 2 years old CPU like they did with Switch.

Remember, Switch will most likly have more modern CPU than PS5/XB2, similar like ARM A57 is more modern CPU than PS4/XB1 CPU. I am not saying that Switch 2 will have stronger CPU, but it will have modern and much capabile CPU in any case than it is in current Switch, that will most likely be more than enough for instance to run 4k PS4/XB1 games at least at 1080p in docked mode or at least at 720p in portable mode.



Miyamotoo said:

Keep on mind that is for comparison for A72, and below you have some informations for A76

https://www.cnx-software.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/ARMv7_vs_ARMv8_Performance_.png

https://images.anandtech.com/doci/12785/22.PNG

 

Also you need to realise that A57 in Switch was clocked only at 1 GHz and using only 3 cores, so imagine just how about much difference we would talk if Switch would just use A76 clocked at 2GHz with more available cores than 3. But of course Nintendo will not use for Switch 5 years old CPU (assuming Switch will be launched in 2023.) and they will use in worst case around 2 years old CPU like they did with Switch.

Remember, Switch will most likly have more modern CPU than PS5/XB2, similar like ARM A57 is more modern CPU than PS4/XB1 CPU. I am not saying that Switch 2 will have stronger CPU, but it will have modern and much capabile CPU in any case than it is in current Switch, that will most likely be more than enough for instance to run 4k PS4/XB1 games at least at 1080p in docked mode or at least at 720p in portable mode.

I meant the Switch has 4 cores but whatever ... 

Your slides don't look too encouraging BTW if we compare the A76 to the A73 which has a 50% higher IPC ? All this means is that Zen 2 will have a >3x higher IPC than the A76 ...  

Mobile CPUs will forever be clocked low since the Switch is already in a pretty big form factor as a mobile devices come but do you really think that a Switch successor will spontaneously double the core counts on such a thermally constrained device ? 

More modern how exactly ? Pretty sure big x86 cores have tons more details or other optimizations baked into them for years to come than whatever ARM core designers will come up with in the foreseeable future ... 



A bit too early to think about the successor of Switch, as it is a new console. Anyway, I would like a much more powerful hardware and more 3rd party support. Switch is cool, but really, it is so underpowered compared to its rivals. The best looking games on PS3 and 360 are even more impressive, 'nough said...



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