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Which of these MOST describes your view?

Women are over-represented in video games. 8 10.13%
 
Women have too much of a ... 4 5.06%
 
Both of the above. 7 8.86%
 
None of the above. I will clarify. Honestly. 60 75.95%
 
Total:79
MrWayne said:
Qwark said:

That's one way of percieving equality the left/social conviction that social equality equals the equal of outcome construct.

The liberal perception follows the line of thought that societal equality equates equality of oppurtunity, which is quite well established. A women can reach great places of power within Germany, hell Merkel is probably Europe is most influencefull and powerful person.

Also there are also fields like education and healthcare where man are in the minority, should those change to to reach gender equality in your perception. 

I do think real equality is equality of outcome however i also think that there is only one way or should I say one formula to achieve equality of outcome.

equality of oppurtunity  +  time  =  equality of outcome

So if equality of opportunity is achieved it will eventually lead to equality of outcome, if not, equality of opportunity was never really achieved in the first place.

The chances of that actually happening are near impossible, and the lack of it happening doesn't mean equality of opportunity wasn't achieved at all.

Take for example a coin toss. Heads and tails both have an equal opportunity to win, there can be no arguing about not achieving equality there. Flip that coin 100 times and will heads and tails have won an equal amount of times? There's a chance of it, but it's far from a sure thing despite the equal opportunity.

Now add in a huge number of additional factors as there would be for a something like political positions as you mentioned and even if perfectly equal opportunity is still there, the chances of actually achieving an equal outcome are now much lower than it was for the coin toss.



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Ka-pi96 said:
MrWayne said:

I do think real equality is equality of outcome however i also think that there is only one way or should I say one formula to achieve equality of outcome.

equality of oppurtunity  +  time  =  equality of outcome

So if equality of opportunity is achieved it will eventually lead to equality of outcome, if not, equality of opportunity was never really achieved in the first place.

The chances of that actually happening are near impossible, and the lack of it happening doesn't mean equality of opportunity wasn't achieved at all.

Take for example a coin toss. Heads and tails both have an equal opportunity to win, there can be no arguing about not achieving equality there. Flip that coin 100 times and will heads and tails have won an equal amount of times? There's a chance of it, but it's far from a sure thing despite the equal opportunity.

Now add in a huge number of additional factors as there would be for a something like political positions as you mentioned and even if perfectly equal opportunity is still there, the chances of actually achieving an equal outcome are now much lower than it was for the coin toss.

Of course, this is all about probabilities. When I flip a coin 100 times, It's obviously unlikely that It's exactly 50 times head and 50 times tail but it's even much more unlikely that i get 100 times head.
Let's pretend for a moment that the chances of a parliament member being male or female is exactly 50/50. In Germany more than 50% of the parliament members are male (~70% in reality) but that's not a big deal because there's a roughly 50% chance that the majority of the members are male, so this could be just a coincident, maybe there's another country where the majority of parliament members is female. If we look at the 28 EU member states + USA and Canada we see that there isn't a single country with more female parliament members than male ones, the chance for this scenario to happen is 0,00000009%. With such a low probability I don't think it's a coincident so what we pretended in the first place must be false.

To your second point, what are these "additional factors" and are you sure these aren't contradicting the pretended equality of opportunity?

In practice, a 50/50  split is impractical because of your point and full equality of opportunity is not achievable, however a +/- 10% fluctuation should be feasible.

Last edited by MrWayne - on 10 September 2018

MrWayne said:
Ka-pi96 said:

The chances of that actually happening are near impossible, and the lack of it happening doesn't mean equality of opportunity wasn't achieved at all.

Take for example a coin toss. Heads and tails both have an equal opportunity to win, there can be no arguing about not achieving equality there. Flip that coin 100 times and will heads and tails have won an equal amount of times? There's a chance of it, but it's far from a sure thing despite the equal opportunity.

Now add in a huge number of additional factors as there would be for a something like political positions as you mentioned and even if perfectly equal opportunity is still there, the chances of actually achieving an equal outcome are now much lower than it was for the coin toss.

Of course, this is all about probabilities. When I flip a coin 100 times, It's obviously unlikely that It's exactly 50 times head and 50 times tail but it's even much more unlikely that i get 100 times head.
Let's pretend for a moment that the chances of a parliament member being male or female is exactly 50/50. In Germany more than 50% of the parliament members are male (~70% in reality) but that's not a big deal because there's a roughly 50% chance that the majority of the members are male, so this could be just a coincident, maybe there's another country where the majority of parliament members is female. If we look at the 28 EU member states + USA and Canada we see that there isn't a single country with more female parliament members than male ones, the chance for this scenario to happen is 0,00000009%. With such a low probability I don't think it's a coincident so what we pretended in the first place must be false.

To your second point, what are these "additional factors" and are you sure these aren't contradicting the pretended equality of opportunity?

In practice, a 50/50  split is impractical because of your point and full equality of opportunity is not achievable, however a +/- 10% fluctuation should be feasible.

Well in regards to political positions additional factors would be political affiliation, I'm not sure what parties you have in Germany, but even if the number of candidates from each gender/ethnic group was representative of the population as a whole (and thus effectively equal), there's little chance that they'd be evenly spread across all the political parties. And not only does the party one represent play a role in getting elected, but each candidates personal ideas would also play a role. I guess you could argue that means there's no equality of opportunity, but that isn't necessarily true.

Additionally there is the fact that politicians are typically elected on a regional basis. So like the party affiliations, you'd also need an equal spread across all regions, and again not having so does not necessarily mean there wasn't equal opportunity.

Although really political positions are probably the hardest thing to actually have an equal outcome on despite how equal opportunity is. It doesn't really take ability into account, so unlike other professions where you'd expect equal ability (whether gained through natural talent, education, experience or any other method) to result in equal success, that's just not how politics works.



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I do not think they're over-represented but maybe over-tokenized ?
And i do feel sometimes the focus goes more to the tokenism itself instead of building a strong/good personality for a character.



No. Just....not even close.

EDIT: get back to me when half the total lead characters across all genres are female, dominating half the box art, half the main characters, supporting characters, lore characters, mooks and other nameless NPC’s and you will be told that’s what equal representation looks like, not over representation.

Last edited by SuaveSocialist - on 12 September 2018

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MrWayne said:
Qwark said:

That's one way of percieving equality the left/social conviction that social equality equals the equal of outcome construct.

The liberal perception follows the line of thought that societal equality equates equality of oppurtunity, which is quite well established. A women can reach great places of power within Germany, hell Merkel is probably Europe is most influencefull and powerful person.

Also there are also fields like education and healthcare where man are in the minority, should those change to to reach gender equality in your perception. 

I do think real equality is equality of outcome however i also think that there is only one way or should I say one formula to achieve equality of outcome.

equality of oppurtunity  +  time  =  equality of outcome

So if equality of opportunity is achieved it will eventually lead to equality of outcome, if not, equality of opportunity was never really achieved in the first place.

 

"equality of oppurtunity  +  time  =  equality of outcome"

 

first off, why would you assume equality of outcome is desirable?

if i understand you correctly you believe there to be no psychological differences between men and women? beyond that no link between physiology and psychology?

so you think a time will come when women's and men's sports will be desegregated and we will allow men and women to go head to head in the boxing ring for example?

Last edited by o_O.Q - on 12 September 2018

Men’s brains are much more bigger than womens brains are.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

I don't think anyone is over-represented or under-represented in anything. Things fall into place naturally according to people's interests and talents. The natural state of anything is never going to be 50/50 and it is stupid to expect that. That is not equality, that's just a mathematical balance that has to be forced in some way, because the sexes just don't gravitate the same way into the same spaces.
The problem is the people who keep count of penises and vaginas and make it into a problem, if there are not an equal amount of both in any given room. It's inane.
In the western world, nothing is stopping women from going into the gaming industry if they so choose. However, they should't expect to be just ushered in because of their genitalia. They have to compete for their spot just like any man has to do. Talent wins.



Boys have a penis, girls have a vagina.



 

 

Jumpin said:
Men’s brains are much more bigger than womens brains are.

As they say, it's not the size that matters, it's what you do with it.