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WolfpackN64 said:
thismeintiel said:

By every metric, the film underperformed.  When the safe bet is, at the very minimum, $750M at the DBO, which would have meant $1.66B WW, but you can't even match that, it underperformed.  Of course, the max safe bet (which is what Disney really wants to hit) was $830M, meaning it would have done $1.83B WW.  Then, when analysts have to readjust their predictions, stating it will still hit ~$1.6B WW, but you still fall short of that, it's just pathetic. Then, Bluray sales were half that of Force Awakens.  And they obviously turned off a big portion of your fanbase, cause they aren't buying your merch anymore.  Next, your film is followed by a flop that wiped out much of the profit you made from TLJ.  Again, a big disappointment for Disney.

The fact that you saw no SJW messaging around Solo shows me all I need to know.  Fans made it clear they were unhappy about the SJW bot in the film, as well as the writer injecting identity politics into the film by suddenly making Lando pansexual.  They were belittled and bashed on social media by Lucasfilm. Lucasfilm didn't care about their fans but rather appeasing other SJWs, which, for some reason, they think are either in the majority or are supported by the majority. Surprise Surprise, SJWs a hit movie, do not make.  Now, you can continue to stick your head in the sand and pretend that SJW politics injected into every franchise won't hurt it's sales, but we will continue to see the results and know the truth.

The robot is what offended people? HA! This is probably the most amusing thing I read all day.

Who said anything about being offended.  They just saw it for what it was, a lame attempt to inject modern politics into the SW universe.  Same goes for Pando.  And they made it known with their wallet.



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thismeintiel said:
WolfpackN64 said:

The robot is what offended people? HA! This is probably the most amusing thing I read all day.

Who said anything about being offended.  They just saw it for what it was, a lame attempt to inject modern politics into the SW universe.  Same goes for Pando.  And they made it known with their wallet.

If anything, the robot was a joke. Nothing more.



Can't say it isn't expected



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

If this flops (it won't, but anything less than a smashing success is a flop on EA's eyes) it will be rightfully deserved, both on the controversies that this game carries by itself and on EA's latest batch of scams and underhanded tactics. Still, I'm surprised the level of doom this title carries, considering Battlefield is one of EA's cashcows outside of sports games. How did they let it go so wrong?



You know it deserves the GOTY.

Come join The 2018 Obscure Game Monthly Review Thread.

I'll wait for people to blame the patriarch and mysognism if this game fails to sell great.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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I think it has more to do with people being tired of EAs shit rather than any of the retarded reddit activism controversies or string of clickbait articles. I’m sure people have a bigger problem with neon face paint fortnite characters in “their version of ww2” than it has to do with females being included. If it was more grounded and gritty I don’t think it would have been an issue.



WolfpackN64 said:
thismeintiel said:

1.  It hardly has all the downvotes and highly rated comments pertaining to the woman and EA's reaction to it, simply due to it being "confusing."

3.  Profit?  Yes.  The amount they were planning on? No.  Not even close.  And no, I didn't pull it out of nowhere.  The movie was supposed to pull in ~$1.8B WW, possibly more.  BOM said that $750M-$830M in the US/Canada was a safe bet.  And judging by the opening weekend, it was headed there.  But, then the 2nd weekend saw a massive 68% drop.  After the drop, analysts were saying it would still hit $1.6B WW.  It missed even the adjusted goal.  Of course, there's also the fact that Disney saw a massive drop in SW merchandise sales.  Then, many fans protested Solo, partly because of its own SJW messaging, but also because of how much TLJ turned them off from the series, which led to the first ever SW flop.  And not even a minor flop, either.  My pessimistic projection for that film was ~$800M WW.  It only did half of that.

Like they say.  Get woke, go broke.

By all metrics the movie performed stellar and Blu-Ray sales were massive. But when you get your projections from conspiracy theories, no wonder you pull $1.8B numbers out of nowhere.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2017/12/29/almost-everything-everybody-is-saying-about-star-wars-the-last-jedi-is-wrong/#a8f93fa39b55

And what SJW message in Solo? Solo flopped because of its poor launch window. That's the end of it.

One would guess that there isn't poor launch window for SW, anything else releasing near it would be on a poor window.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Hiku said:
bananaking21 said:

Dice went out and stated that their reasoning for the inclusion of women on the front line and black dudes with katana (seriously, a fucking katana) is to support their political agenda. Which is inclusion and diversity. Now those two political agendas are good. But in this case they came in the way of artists integrity. You need to accept that a lot of people have an issue with that, and not with women in games. 

 

I for one find it rather insulting that Dice and EA couldn't include a rather realistic story about women on that era in Battlefield 5. Instead of trying to accurately portay the women of WW2 and their stories and actual struggles, they had to dismiss the women of that time because they don't fit the "PC" view of women today. and had to make a "badass" woman who can "do what ever a man can do" and have her for some reason have a prosthetic arm. 

 

Instead of portraying the real women of WW2 they gave us a joke of a character. If a WW2 setting isn't "PC" enough for them, then don't fucking make one, if they want a fictional WW2 setting, then go all out on it and make a decent fictional WW2 like Wolfenstien, nobody is complaining that there were female soldiers in that game. 

If you're referring to the tweet I'm thinking of, they said they do everything they can to be inclusive and diverse. But they're also no doubt aware of the fact that many players like myself like playing as female characters some times, even though I'm not female. It's just for aesthetic reasons.
I'd accept that some people have issues with these things if the other historically inaccurate scenarios of the Battlefield series garnered even a fraction of the same backlash.

I can ask the same question about the Zeppelin. They were actually used by Germany in World War 1. Couldn't Dice have written a realistic story about how they were handled in the war? Instead they wrote a story scenario about how the main character's plane gets shot down, crash lands on the zeppelin, then they walk around on top of it while its flying. And other planes come crashing down on it right in front of them, creating holes that let them jump down to the interior, and then take it over from the inside.
It's absolutely ridiculous. Not only did that obviously never really happen, but it's not even realistic. It's the kind of thing you'd expect from a Bond film.
And as if that wasn't bad enough, the main characters jump off the Zeppelin while it's up in the sky, without a parachute, and somehow survive without a scratch because they landed in water... (Water is almost like pavement if you jump from that height. They were above the clouds.)

And people were so outraged about this historically inaccurate (and unrealistic) scenario that they made a grand total of 0 topics to complain about it.
Meanwhile we've had several topics on the issue of a woman soldier fighting for England rather than Russia or whichever other nations had them on the front lines.
And people are livid about this. It's not the way people normally react when they don't like something about a game. Something about women and minorities get people really riled up to the point where they start boycotting campaigns and want it to fail.

Like Dice said, if you want a historical portrayal of things like that, don't count on it from their Battlefield games. They leave that to other developers.
You mentioned artists integrity, which reminds me, if they had stuck to trying to keep things historically accurate, then they would limit their creative freedom in what kind of story they could have written for this soldier. They've never worried about that in the previous Battlefield games.

The mechanical hand and katana are silly, out of place and over the top. Whether people like or dislike the arm and the katana is understandable. But it shouldn't come as a big surprise to anyone who has played through previous Battlefield games that they take liberties with the story and characters.
Metal Gear Solid is also based around real events from history, albeit much more loosely, since the focus of the story takes place entirely within fictive events. 
But whether you implement one scenario that never happened, or fifty, in both cases you end up with a game that isn't historically accurate. You can't just change some historical events, but not others. Either fully commit to portray an accurate retelling of events, or do whatever you want. Dice never intended to do the former with the Battlefield series.

I find it hard to believe absolutely no one complained about that scene since you yourself in a single thread said it 3 times in a row, have you made a thread on it or you just find offensive that no one (your words) found offense on it but find on other things?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Hopefully they learn their lesson and dont include women in future games. These political agendas need to be removed from gaming.



WolfpackN64 said:
thismeintiel said:

Who said anything about being offended.  They just saw it for what it was, a lame attempt to inject modern politics into the SW universe.  Same goes for Pando.  And they made it known with their wallet.

If anything, the robot was a joke. Nothing more.

Apparently in the Lord and Miller cut of the film, they had turned her into a joke.  Rumors are that this did not please Kathleen Kennedy, as well as the fact that they made the film more comedic in nature, which is why they were fired and Ron Howard was brought on.  She was changed into a serious character.  This is why there are interviews with the cast, like the woman who played her, talking about how L3-37 is a good role model and should be looked up to.