NoCtiS_NoX said:
I am referring to the overall sales of 3DS games on the chart I provided. How is it disingenuous when I am speaking with over all sales? Last of us is just one game that release on 2 Playstation platform. |
So how do you figure its close to 3DS? 3DS is at 176 million, the top 4 on PS4 are at 28m which are much higher than other Sony games, 3DS is likely over double PS4.
When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.
zorg1000 said:
That doesnt make sense, Nintendo games have a history because they were big sellers right off the bat, not the other way around. Its not like they started out small and only got big after multiple entries. This means it doesnt make sense to say Sony games dont sell as much because they dont have a history. |
well technically no, they weren't big sellers right of the bat.. the reason nintendo Ip's seemed bigger in their initial days was because they survived game industry crash.. and to give credit where its due, nintendo didn't abandon them instead they snowballed these games into success stories and made them a brand that we know and love today. But when it comes to delivering new Ip's, sony is selling more copies and delivering bigger hits than nintendo.
the only new franchise Nintendo has launched that has been successful since wii U is Splatoon (correct me if I am wrong). And since Wii U launch in 2012 Sony has managed TloU, HZD and bloodborne.
| The_Liquid_Laser said: I'll address these points in reverse order. 3. This is not Sony's best first party performance. Gran Turismo 3 sold 15m. When they actually get a PS4 first party game to 15m, then we can talk. They aren't there yet. |
I'm sorry that comparison is just wrong.. Pokemon Doesn't need nintendo to sell! (e.g. pokemon go) just like GTA5, these games are cultural phenomena and have power to sell systems, its their brand recognition that has given them sales not nintendo! If Sony had the license to make Pokemon games those would have sold the same if not better, just like MLB the show doesnt make San diego the best studio in sony's line up.
On the other hand TLoU in 2013 didn't had any of those it was just another zombie survival game a new IP the only thing going for it was that it was developed by ND. If you want to make a fair comparison, compare one of the nintendo's new ip from their first party or Rockstars LA Noire to the TLoU or HZD.
| Kyuu said: Well in my opinion, Nintendo's numbers are more impressive even with everything taken into account (strong competition is mitigated/cancelled out by install base disparity) but Sony is getting there and their growth is eye-popping. |
Yes that's correct because overall Sony is still not yet there but they are closing in.
Sony relied too much with 3rd party games and reality hit them hard early PS3 days. Although it's more of a blessing in disguise that helped Sony focus on their games more and now we are here getting a lot of great games from Sony.
| Dante9 said: Sony is actually outdoing Nintendo nowadays, it's just that it's pretty complicated to make the comparison, you have to think about a lot of factors. For example: 1)Sony gets all the third party stuff. This means that their first party titles have to fight for their place in a massive jungle of heavy hitters like GTAs, FPS blockbusters and major sports games and whatnot. I'd like to see how Nintendo would do in a similar environment, because they have traditionally had a nice little garden of their own where there is relatively little else of note to buy but their own first party titles. There are actual droughts, so at times they have to grasp at whatever Nintendo sends their way. No such problems on the other platforms, where there is a problem of abundance at times. Sure, the Switch seems to be changing this with increased third party support, so we will see how it will affect things. 2)Most of Nintendo's heavy hitters are things like Mario, Carts, Tennis and Smash, which are fairly simplistic in their mechanics and gameplay. They appeal to the lowest common denominator of easy to pick up games. They are more "for everyone", whereas things like TLOU clearly aren't. So for TLOU to sell 10M copies reqires a heck of a lot more effort than it does for something that appeals to a much wider audience just by its very nature alone. This also pertains to the much touted polish of Nintendo games, as it is undoubtedly much easier to polish a simplistic game with a narrow scope, compared to a massive game with more realistic artstyle and complex mechanics. Does all this sound contrived? Perhaps. Perhaps it means that we are trying to compare apples and oranges in a way. But Sony is clearly outcompeting Microsoft in the first party department and I would actually be interested to see how Nintendo would measure up, if their console was operating in the same space as the two others. If all three consoles were on the same page in terms of third party support, power and such, and Nintendo would have to come up with new first party titles with the same scope as in Sony's offerings, would they be able to perform as well? |
I agree with number 1. Sony games doesn't have the strong brand recognition with their games before that's why selling well with all those big 3rd party games on their system is a feat. A new IP (Last of us) competing with the likes of COD and GTA.
But I disagree with Nintendo part. Regardless if there's a lot of big 3rd party games on Nintendo platform. Their games will still sell well that's how Strong Mario and Pokemon are.
That's what happens when you cultivated your games for decades. I hope Sony learn a thing or two from that and maintain the Uncharted brand. UC 4 sold well and it's silly for them to not capitalize on the success of the last game and me wanting more Uncharted. 
2. I disagree completely with have you said for Nintendo. Those simple games is selling millions and that simple mechanics make it fun.
As for TloU I agree on the sense because TloU is a M rated game. That game is not fer everyone and yet it sold well.
And yes if Sony tried to compete with Nintendo in terms of mario,, smash, Pokemon like games Ninty will destroy them but if Ninty tried to compete with the likes of Uncharted, last of us Sony will destroy them.
In terms of Story narrative single player game Sony is king and Ninty is king of Platformers and games for everyone.
| taus90 said: I think Sony is beyond better than Nintendo when it comes to first party.. but the truth is nintendo has maintained and developed their age old ip's into a brand.. which sony has somehow neglected or failed to do. and brand sells Even a well know exclusive IP could sell bonkers on a failing system People keep pointing out wii u and how first party game sold well. care to point out how many new IP's did those same number as MK8 or Smash. On the other hand MGS4 a well known exclusive sold 5 million copies by 2009 on PS3 and everybody knows where ps3 was in its early days. So only if Sony had maintained a franchise like Nintendo since PS1 days we could have seen the same level of sale success. And to prove that point look at Crash remaster. Uncharted a gen old franchise, last mainline entry is probably above 10 million, God of war reboot fastest selling game in PS history! Gran turismo! Imagine if Sony had invested in its old IP's like Medival, Socom, Parappa the rapper, Patapon, Spyro, Crash, Getaway, Syphon filter, warhawk. instead they choose wrong IP's and poor marketing tactics which killed many of the great franchise. So in short Nintendo is no where close in terms of delivering a brand new Ip as sony. And sony is no where near nintendo in terms of established IP, But Sony in this gen is close to nintendo in terms of making IP's into a brand.. and sony will bear the fruits with HZD2, GoW2, TLoU2.. but the real question is will sony be able to maintain level of quality like nintendo has, over longer period of time?, or run it into the ground by switching over to a different studio like halo, golden Abyss and LBP3 |
Great post. I completely agree.
Nintendo Polish and cultivated Mario , Zelda and Pokemon as a strong brand. That's why their games are very successful.
Sony on the other hand failed to do it as you have said so yeah I hope they will be able to polish their big games now.
Uncharted, horizon, GOW and last of us.
And yes in terms of in bringing New IP that's the advantage Sony has with Nintendo.
http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2018/04/13/new-sony-development-team-to-work-with-major-sony-studio/
Even though ND is done with Uncharted I hope this new studio will continue Uncharted series. I am seeing it as a launch title for PS5 exclusively if they are really working on Uncharted.
Socom! Zipper interactive 
Sony is really stupid to close Zipper Interactive. Zipper could have been their bread and butter in terms of coop based games. I think they are kicking their balls now closing a lot of studios.
As for their old Ips. I hope they release Patapon for Mobile and PSN. I mean Patapon was a perfect fit for Vita. Such shame Sony.
| globalisateur said: No. Back then Mario 3, Super Mario Kart, Zelda ALTTP, Mario 64 and Zelda 64 were both the most impressive games and the best available games. Now the most impressive games, while being the best games out there, are often only available on PS3/PS4 with TLOU, Bloodborne or God of War. In that sense Sony is the new Nintendo. Nintendo don't do ambitious and impressive games nowadays, mostly re-imagined (or not) highly polished and improved remakes (Zelda, Mario, Mario Kart, Smash, Pokemon). Splatoon is really a new Nintendo franchise, but it's not an impressive game. |
Let's not do this. Let's not turn this thread into Sony vs Ninty thread.
BOTW, Xenoblade, Mario Odyssey and GOW, UC4, Bloodborne and Last of us are great and impressive games let's leave it as that.
taus90 said:
well technically no, they weren't big sellers right of the bat.. the reason nintendo Ip's seemed bigger in their initial days was because they survived game industry crash.. and to give credit where its due, nintendo didn't abandon them instead they snowballed these games into success stories and made them a brand that we know and love today. But when it comes to delivering new Ip's, sony is selling more copies and delivering bigger hits than nintendo. the only new franchise Nintendo has launched that has been successful since wii U is Splatoon (correct me if I am wrong). And since Wii U launch in 2012 Sony has managed TloU, HZD and bloodborne. |
Yes they were, look at the sales of the first entry of those franchises, they were multimillion sellers. They were big sellers from the start.
Sure, Sony releases more new IP, not sure how thats relevent to anything i said.
And yes you are wrong, ARMS, 1 2 Switch just released last year and are both successful new IP.
When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.
A huge point that many fail to acknowledge is that Sony HEAVILY bundles both their established and new IPs, to the point that it's rare to see a PS4 without a pack-in game.
My themeforest portfolio:
| routsounmanman said: A huge point that many fail to acknowledge is that Sony HEAVILY bundles both their established and new IPs, to the point that it's rare to see a PS4 without a pack-in game. |
So Sony is only doing an industry wide practice that has been part of the video game landscape since Atari 2600.
What do you say about the NES and Mario Bros./Duck Hunt and Wii with Wii sports? I would love to hear your answer.
zorg1000 said:
Yes they were, look at the sales of the first entry of those franchises, they were multimillion sellers. They were big sellers from the start. Sure, Sony releases more new IP, not sure how thats relevent to anything i said. And yes you are wrong, ARMS, 1 2 Switch just released last year and are both successful new IP. |
Well we have to agree to disagree on the 1st point, My point of reference was that when mario was released on arcade it didn't set world on fire, like they are doing it right now.
Also Regarding Arms and 1 2 switch I knew about them but i didnt include as I consider them to be byproduct hit for a successful console launch and Metacritics. But if u still wanna do that then Lets include Resogun, Order 1886, Knack, Until dawn and Driveclub all are 2 million sellers.
And how its relevant you ask... Well in short sony develops and sells more copies than a new nintendo IP, So technically Sony is better when it comes to new ip and Nintendo is better at developing their older Ip's..
taus90 said:
Well we have to agree to disagree on the 1st point, My point of reference was that when mario was released on arcade it didn't set world on fire, like they are doing it right now. Also Regarding Arms and 1 2 switch I knew about them but i didnt include as I consider them to be byproduct hit for a successful console launch and Metacritics. But if u still wanna do that then Lets include Resogun, Order 1886, Knack, Until dawn and Driveclub all are 2 million sellers. And how its relevant you ask... Well in short sony develops and sells more copies than a new nintendo IP, So technically Sony is better when it comes to new ip and Nintendo is better at developing their older Ip's.. |
Well i was under the impression we were talking about consoles, not arcades. The first Super Mario game did 40 million, the first Zelda did 6.5 million, the first Kirby did over 5 million, the first Metroid did over 2.5 million, etc.
Add whatever games you want, you said Splatoon was the only successful new IP and told me to correct you if you're wrong, you were wrong so i corrected you.
Thats called cherry picking. New IP, old IP, M-rated, child friendly, cinematic, single player, multiplayer, casual, etc doesnt matter. Nintendo's top sellers sell more than Sony's, Nintendo has more big sellers than Sony, Nintendo overall sells more 1st party games than Sony.
When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.
They kept killing their franchises, took them long enough to take a page from Nintendo's play book
Bet reminder: I bet with Tboned51 that Splatoon won't reach the 1 million shipped mark by the end of 2015. I win if he loses and I lose if I lost.
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