zorg1000 said:
Well thats not true in the slightest, NES and Gameboy had tons of 3rd party games. |
How many of those 3rd parties received any sort of marketing or were the equivalent of today’s big franchises?
| NoCtiS_NoX said:
Let me start with A Sony representative told Polygon that the figure consists of units sold through to customers. That will be as accurate as you can get. That will be your best source because the numbers came from Sony it self and yeah that's Pokemon level.
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17m on one platform is not the same as 17m on two platforms. I think you know better than this.
curl-6 bet me that PS5 + X|S sales would reach 56m before year end 2023 and he was right.
My Bet With curl-6
My Threads:
Master Thread, Game of the Year/Decade
Switch Will Be #1 All Time
Zelda Will Outsell Mario (Achieved)
How Much Will MH Rise sell?
My Bet With Metallox
taus90 said:
I'm sorry that comparison is just wrong.. Pokemon Doesn't need nintendo to sell! (e.g. pokemon go) just like GTA5, these games are cultural phenomena and have power to sell systems, its their brand recognition that has given them sales not nintendo! If Sony had the license to make Pokemon games those would have sold the same if not better, just like MLB the show doesnt make San diego the best studio in sony's line up. On the other hand TLoU in 2013 didn't had any of those it was just another zombie survival game a new IP the only thing going for it was that it was developed by ND. If you want to make a fair comparison, compare one of the nintendo's new ip from their first party or Rockstars LA Noire to the TLoU or HZD. |
Using VGChartz numbers:
The Last of US (PS4): 6.4m
Nintendogs (DS): 24.7m
Brain Training (DS): 20.2m
Wii Fit (Wii): 22.7m
curl-6 bet me that PS5 + X|S sales would reach 56m before year end 2023 and he was right.
My Bet With curl-6
My Threads:
Master Thread, Game of the Year/Decade
Switch Will Be #1 All Time
Zelda Will Outsell Mario (Achieved)
How Much Will MH Rise sell?
My Bet With Metallox
Lawlight said:
How many of those 3rd parties received any sort of marketing or were the equivalent of today’s big franchises? |
Alot
When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.
What do you think @ Spiderman-Game ? The september is coming!
More than 10 million units are possible in future ?
colafitte said:
To me, this sounds like wishful thinking. You add 4-5m more to games that launched in 2017 like if it was easy to do. This notion that all Nintendo games have infinite legs is a lie. 2D Mario and Mario Kart have those legs, but Pokemon, Zelda, Splatoon, not as much (i'm not saying they don't have, I'm saying not at the same level). Mario odyssey will sell 1m a year for the next years as much, and Zelda will start drop in sales inevitably. Splatoon 2 is around 6'5m...., no way will reach 10m in a year or two. And why Animal Crossing will suddenly sell more than 15m??? This notion that Switch is some kind of magic box that makes everything amazing is wrong. Odyssey and BOTW sold a lot because they were historically good games that had amazing marketing campaigns behind them. The same with Smash at 20m.... why???, the Wii one sold around 13m and was hyped as hell then too, so why a game in a console that sold less hardware and softare in the same time period will suddenly sell a 50% more??? that's too much. And I'm still waiting for a better answer for what i said about sony games than "I just don't consider the PS4 titles on this level". So, when in a year, we start seeing updated numbers and we have Uncharted 4 10-15m, Horizon surpassing 10m, God of War reaching 10m before 2019, Gran Turismo Sport saying that there are 7-8m players (i remember the days in this site when GT5 launched and for years people said that the sales were disappointing, but GT5 kept selling and selling), Spiderman becoming the most succesful Marvel licensed game, TLOU II launching and becoming the fastest Sony game ever, then what? If by the end of this year TLOU, U4, Horizon, GOW and Spiderman are all 10+m sellers, what people will say then? |
Have we not seen the legs for Zelda and Splatoon? Both are constantly in the top 20, while splatoon has even reached number one in Japan some 30 weeks after launch. Mario Odyssey has already surpassed a million copies this year, I don't see how you think 15 million is the max it will reach. And besides, we have to remember that this all happened in 15 months of the switch life. Based off of what we have been seeing, Switch games have been more desirable than past iterations. It is not unlikely to think that something like Animal crossing will be the best selling version of it's series. And Smash? It would be weird to have smash typically be a bigger seller than zelda and Mario just for those two too outsell it now. Especially the Ultimate Smash game, and the biggest title by far this year.
As for the sony's titles, how am I using wishful thinking, when you just implied that Uncharted 4 might have 15 million sold? The last update was 8.7 million right? How is it crazy that a Nintendo title won't have legs to reach 20 million when it sold 11 million in 8 months, but it is ok that Uncharted could have reached 15 million? If it takes by the end of the ps4 5th year to have 5 titles pasted 10 million, when the Switch will possibly have 5 titles pasted 10 million by the end of it's second year, it is quite easy to see why they aren't on the same level
| KazumaKiryu said: What do you think @ Spiderman-Game ? The september is coming! More than 10 million units are possible in future ? |
Quite easily hopefully, in a perfect world it would become the best selling ps4 title
MasonADC said:
Have we not seen the legs for Zelda and Splatoon? Both are constantly in the top 20, while splatoon has even reached number one in Japan some 30 weeks after launch. Mario Odyssey has already surpassed a million copies this year, I don't see how you think 15 million is the max it will reach. And besides, we have to remember that this all happened in 15 months of the switch life. Based off of what we have been seeing, Switch games have been more desirable than past iterations. It is not unlikely to think that something like Animal crossing will be the best selling version of it's series. And Smash? It would be weird to have smash typically be a bigger seller than zelda and Mario just for those two too outsell it now. Especially the Ultimate Smash game, and the biggest title by far this year. As for the sony's titles, how am I using wishful thinking, when you just implied that Uncharted 4 might have 15 million sold? The last update was 8.7 million right? How is it crazy that a Nintendo title won't have legs to reach 20 million when it sold 11 million in 8 months, but it is ok that Uncharted could have reached 15 million? If it takes by the end of the ps4 5th year to have 5 titles pasted 10 million, when the Switch will possibly have 5 titles pasted 10 million by the end of it's second year, it is quite easy to see why they aren't on the same level |
Oh sorry, I meant for Mario and Zelda after this year, my bad for not explain myself correctly.
In respect of Zelda and Splatoon, yeah, they are normally in the top 20 this year, but Zelda must be around 10m and Splatoon 2 around 6-6'5m. They will probaly sell only in 2018 around 3m each, but I expect them to fall considerably in 2019 once Smash Bros, Pokemon 2019, Metroid Prime 4, and more new games start arriving to Switch and make the competion harder.
And about Uncharted 4 sales, I based that number because the 8'7m figure was at the end of 2016, but we have another number after The Lost Legacy launched, at the end of 2017 (December 11) where Sony stated that Uncharted franchise had sold almost 42m, when in May 2016, just before U4 launch the sales were around 28m. So U4 and TLL sold around 14m sales in that period. So, maybe Uncharted TLL sold a lot better than most think and in less than 5 months sold more than 4m units, or most probably, U4 sold most of those 14m units. Now we are in August 2018, so i'm pretty confident U4 is around 10-15m (i'm using a range, i'm not saying that it sold 15m, I think it must be around 12-13m in fact)
And yeah, Switch did those number of sales in just 2 years comparred to Sony, but PS4 has in the future Ghost of Tsushima, another TLOU in part II, and i'm pretty confident Days Gone will surprise in terms of sales. We are not comparing Nintendo and Sony how they were 5, 10, o 15 years ago, because Nintendo had the upper hand easily, we are talking in 2018 and inmediate future . Nintendo have Mario 2D and 3D, Pokemon, Zelda, Smash, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Mario Party, Splatoon, Donkey Kong Country as huge sellers and Sony have TLOU, Uncharted, God of War, Horizon, Gran Turismo, Spiderman and most probably (but if you don't want to count them i'm fine) Ghosts of Tsushima and Days Gone. Look, I'm not saying Sony surpassed Nintendo by any means, I'm still think Nintendo is the bigger software company in the world, but now Sony is closing the gap, and they can be actually compared as this topic is a proof of it.
By reaching "Nintendo levels" is just to say, that Sony now have more than 5 franchises that can be compared to the biggest franchises in terms of sales, nothing more, nothing less, but yeah, Nintendo is still number one.
Alkibiádēs said:
I wouldn't call Spiderman a first party game. They don't own the IP nor the studio who developed the game in question. And yes, great leap and very good sales for Sony this gen, but not quite Nintendo level. |
Sony is publishing Spiderman, so its a first party game
colafitte said:
Oh sorry, I meant for Mario and Zelda after this year, my bad for not explain myself correctly. In respect of Zelda and Splatoon, yeah, they are normally in the top 20 this year, but Zelda must be around 10m and Splatoon 2 around 6-6'5m. They will probaly sell only in 2018 around 3m each, but I expect them to fall considerably in 2019 once Smash Bros, Pokemon 2019, Metroid Prime 4, and more new games start arriving to Switch and make the competion harder. And about Uncharted 4 sales, I based that number because the 8'7m figure was at the end of 2016, but we have another number after The Lost Legacy launched, at the end of 2017 (December 11) where Sony stated that Uncharted franchise had sold almost 42m, when in May 2016, just before U4 launch the sales were around 28m. So U4 and TLL sold around 14m sales in that period. So, maybe Uncharted TLL sold a lot better than most think and in less than 5 months sold more than 4m units, or most probably, U4 sold most of those 14m units. Now we are in August 2018, so i'm pretty confident U4 is around 10-15m (i'm using a range, i'm not saying that it sold 15m, I think it must be around 12-13m in fact) And yeah, Switch did those number of sales in just 2 years comparred to Sony, but PS4 has in the future Ghost of Tsushima, another TLOU in part II, and i'm pretty confident Days Gone will surprise in terms of sales. We are not comparing Nintendo and Sony how they were 5, 10, o 15 years ago, because Nintendo had the upper hand easily, we are talking in 2018 and inmediate future . Nintendo have Mario 2D and 3D, Pokemon, Zelda, Smash, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Mario Party, Splatoon, Donkey Kong Country as huge sellers and Sony have TLOU, Uncharted, God of War, Horizon, Gran Turismo, Spiderman and most probably (but if you don't want to count them i'm fine) Ghosts of Tsushima and Days Gone. Look, I'm not saying Sony surpassed Nintendo by any means, I'm still think Nintendo is the bigger software company in the world, but now Sony is closing the gap, and they can be actually compared as this topic is a proof of it. By reaching "Nintendo levels" is just to say, that Sony now have more than 5 franchises that can be compared to the biggest franchises in terms of sales, nothing more, nothing less, but yeah, Nintendo is still number one. |
One thing to consider about Uncharted sales is that Nathan Drake Collection probably added some sales between the 28m & 42m announcements.
But ya UC4 is very likely above 10m by now.
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